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I've said before, back in April and in August, that one of the things that makes political arguments so villainous is that the two sides think that any reasonable person who looked at the facts would come to the same conclusion that they have. Therefore the other side can't possibly mean what they say, there must be some evil motive behind their opposition. So to address this, as an ex-conservative who's now a liberal, I wrote the following two essays, and promised one more:
The promised 3rd one was going to be about the first principle of lifestyle liberalism, which follows. I had to break this into two pieces because honestly, there isn't a single principle that binds together economic or classical liberals with the lifestyle or counterculture liberals. They're bound together by a handful of charismatic writers and leaders, and by a mutual loathing of conservatives ... which is why, in times when the conservatives don't have a charismatic or powerful leader for both kinds of liberals to hate, the liberal coalition has a hard time agreeing on what to do. But I digress.

To oversimplify what I've already written before, the first principle of conservativism is that there is one obviously best way to live, one prescribed by social and religious pressure, and that when you deviate from that path in any way you're (at the very least) less productive than you otherwise might be, and so you're hurting yourself, letting down those who are depending on you, setting a bad example for others, and by inspiring charity being an economic drain on your loved ones and your whole country. Therefore it is appropriate to stop you.

In a rare moment of candor, in an essay I wish I could forward you a copy of entitled "In Defense of Hypocrisy," conservative morality czar (and problem gambler) William Bennett made the following case, and I am indebted to him for clarifying my thinking on this. The following wording is my own, though, because I'm going to be even blunter than he was. What he and I agree on, more or less, is that for the purposes of this discussion, there are three kinds of people:
  1. There are a lot of people for whom the straight and narrow is comfortable and comforting. It is no trouble for them to stay on the straight and narrow. At the end of their life, they may express some wistful feeling that they wish they'd taken more risks and broken more social rules, but they really know better, because they enjoy the rewards that staying on the straight and narrow gave them and left for their children. For now, let's call them the "naturally compliant," if only because it's more polite than what I usually call them ("mundanes").

  2. There are a few people who simply can not live on the straight and narrow, either because they are badly broken, or because they are biologically wired for urges that are outside the straight and narrow, or because they are a member of some minority group that the other people on the straight and narrow won't accept in their midst. For now, let's call them "deviants," not specifically for the pejorative sense of the word but because their unpopularity comes from the fact that they deviate from a popular and successful way of life.

  3. There quite a few people who can live on the straight and narrow, but who find it uncomfortable and depressing. Given a choice, they'd leave the straight and narrow, and live some alternative path. For now, let's call them "potential deviants."
In "In Defense of Hypocrisy," William Bennett laid out the argument that it is for the protection of the potential deviants that we must suppress all deviation from the straight and narrow. If the people in group 3 (the potential deviants) are allowed to see the people in group 2 (the deviants) surviving and thriving, then they too will deviate, and thereby impoverish themselves, impoverish their loved ones, and impoverish the nation.

Ah, but suppress them how? Even Bennett admits that it is impossible for even the most draconian police state to prevent, in his example, all homosexual conduct. And decades of "war on drugs" haven't put a dent in the $6,000,000,000.00 a year cocaine trade, let alone any other drugs. Back in the 14th century, the Pope declared a literal war on the nation of Languedoc over their informal policy of tolerating protestant heretics and Jews, raised an army that murdered whole cities and annexed the territory to the supposedly more pious nation of France. The result was not the prevention of protestantism or heresy, but a steady rise from there on of anti-clericalism in France, the victor. There is no way to suppress all of group 2, and even Bennett admits this. So what does he advocate?

What conservatives advocate to keep as many people as possible on the straight and narrow is that from time to time, members of group 2 be singled out for public draconian humiliation at the very least, lengthy and mind-breaking jail sentences at best, and if such campaigns mean that from time to time that the police must look the other way while an angry mob attacks or even kills a deviant or two, that's an acceptable price to pay.

A lifestyle liberal, then, is simply someone who disagrees, on one or more of the following grounds:
  • It's unfair. Anti-deviance campaigns can't possibly affect all deviants in the same way, so they ensconce in law and public policy a kind of "scapegoat principle" where an unfortunate few must be murdered or otherwise destroyed for the benefit of the greater number. That's human sacrifice.

  • It's unnecessary. Even if it was once true that the only best way to make an economic contribution to society was to work hard all the time and spend no money or time on pleasure, that may not be true in a world that needs more creative workers and not so many grunt workers. And even if it is still true, there is more than one kind of contribution that individuals can make to society. The great artists and musicians and inventors of history haven't always been economic producers, but their creations once harnessed by the naturally compliant have unmistakably improved quality of life for all of us.

  • It's corrosive. Anti-deviance campaigns sanction selective prosecution, create situations where the wealthy are most tempted to use their wealth to bribe or otherwise suborn the law, put public officials into the position of being vulnerable to blackmail by criminals over their own deviant conduct, and encourage mob violence. All of these things, when tolerated in the long run, are corrosive to civil society and the rule of law. When civil society and the rule of law collapse into either anarchy or machine politics or totalitarianism, then even the naturally compliant aren't very productive any more.
So to a lifestyle liberal, it seems obvious that a social conservative is someone who advocates human sacrifice, waste of creative human potential, and descent into anarchy by way of mafia rule or totalitarianism.


Sep. 10th, 2004 10:39 pm (UTC)
Cut in pay
As did I. I learned my computing/networking skills in the School of Hard Knocks. My degrees are in 2 other completely different things. And the Fact that C does not compute, means that we are probably in the Cat 2 or Cat 3 range. Since a Cat 1 person would not bother to look around that viewpoint.

See, I get that there is something more out there than being successful, productive and popular. I am not entirely sure the standard right wing Conservative would get it though.

Although I think I like the previous discussion of Liberals a little better than this one on the Conservatives. IE Liberals think that there is a minimum standard of living that all citizens should be able to have, whether they can be economic producers or not. I think the conservative point of view is, "Well I don't want to pay for that." OK, that is reductio ad absurdum, which I am sure you will find in Wiki. The point is that the Conservative/Liberal dichotomy makes it possible to balance the Gov't should pay for all vs. I don't want to see money going for that points of view. I think it is possible to be a hardline conservative without having to be Religious, or wanting to impose your views on others. I think you can just say, "I don't wanna pay for that." and call it good.

However, it is interesting that it seems to be that they conservative gets "married" to the religious right mentally, although I am not sure that the two are necessarily, er, uh necessary.

See, for example what we have in charge now, is a Republican who is conservative when it comes to welfare, but extremely liberal with trying to fund his own private war.

I think it may be fairer to say that Conservatives do not want to pay for someone else's lifestyle choices. They don't want to pay for crack babies, they don't want to pay for abortions, and they don't want to pay additional health care because someone's bad decision (heroine addiction, dirty needles, HIV transmission from unsafe sex) is going to cost a tax payer LOTS of money.

The conservatives don't want to make the government be the magic wand that gets waved when someone screws up. I can't say I blame them.

See, you can get into a Conservative/Liberal conversation without bringing religion or personal beliefs into it. When I think of Conservative/Liberal, I am thinking in terms of more the fiscal side of politics, without getting into the Social pressures that go along with it. After thinking about it that may be more my issue since I believe, whole-heartedly in the separation of church and state. That being the case, I may not be aware of points of views that smoosh them together.
Mar. 10th, 2009 11:15 pm (UTC)
Re: Cut in pay

I think it may be fairer to say that Conservatives do not want to pay for someone else's lifestyle choices. They don't want to pay for crack babies, they don't want to pay for abortions, and they don't want to pay additional health care because someone's bad decision (heroine addiction, dirty needles, HIV transmission from unsafe sex) is going to cost a tax payer LOTS of money.

But they do want to pay for lifestyle choices. It's just which lifestyle choices. They want taxes to be set up in this way, not that. They talk a good line, but the things they do affect others lifestyle choices. What they outlaw is making me pay for their desires to see drugs illegal. To see consenual sexual acts illegal. To restrict what I may read, see, hear. Those restrictions cost money.

And they impinge, both directly, and indirectly, on how I live my life. They have second order effects (the rise of crime in relation to the profitability of drugs, the people who can't be as productive as they might be, because they had to have children, because family planning was forbidden to them; the people who are in Emergency Rooms, and so raising my medical costs, etc.).

The real difference, seems to me, that the Liberal says, "Everyone should have an equal chance to be happy and healthy, and I am willing to help them out" and the Conservative says, "Everyone who is like me can be happy and healthy. If they aren't like me, I won't help them out."