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Brad @ Burning Man
Even before the arrest of yet another alleged right-wing terror cell on Sunday night, the phrase "original intent of the Founders" was on my mind with regard to another terrorist threat, one that reminded me very specifically that the Founders did, in fact, have to deal with groups exactly like today's right-wing militias and tea parties. And in that context, the conservatives' much-loved phrase, "the original intent of the Founders," is illuminating.

But first, the more recent and unambiguous terrorist threat. An FBI agent inside the Christian-Right multi-state militia known as the Hutaree called in the department to round them up and quickly, when he learned that they had settled on their action plan, their goal for creating an incident that they hoped would trigger a civil war aimed at overthrowing President Obama and the Democrats by force. Some time in April, probably on the 24th, they were going to murder a police officer, lay low until his funeral, and then lay armor-piercing improvised explosive devices along the route from the funeral service to the graveyard; once they had killed every police officer in the funeral convoy, they were planning on retreating through several home-made minefields in hopes of luring more police to their death. The agent had to move fast; they were planning an armed reconnaissance in the next week or so, and had plans to kill anyone, civilian or otherwise, who spotted them. (See Corey Williams & Devlin Barrett, "9 militia members charged in police-killing plot," Associated Press, 3/29/10, and subsequent news stories everywhere.)

I keep having to make this next point, don't I? When the Department of Homeland Security issued their April 2009 report "Rightwing Extremism: Current Economic and Political Climate Fueling Resurgence in Radicalization and Recruitment," (PDF) just about every Republican in America screamed bloody murder, demanded that they retract it, and accused the Obama administration of trying to criminalize peaceful political dissent. How many right wing assassins, murderers, and terror squads will it take before even one of them admits that they were wrong about that? Do any of them have at least that much minimal honesty or basic decency?

We need to just face facts: there is a large minority in this country, large enough to be dangerous, who just flatly do not accept the fact that they can lose an election. When they win elections, they are all about "democracy" and "the rule of law," but the minute they lose an election, they pick up their guns and start planning for violent revolution to overturn the will of the people. Pretending that these people do not exist, pretending that they are not numerous, and pretending that the Republicans do not stoke these people's paranoid fantasies because of the party's dangerous delusion that they can control them, can use them as a tool, will not change the fact that they are there and they are dangerous.

But I was already thinking about how law enforcement should respond to threats like this, before we even found out about the Hutaree, because of another event I saw announced on the news, one that has an especially strong historical resonance with the Founding Fathers. On this April 19th, the 15th anniversary of the bombing of the Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City when two or more right-wing militia members murdered 99 federal government employees, at least 50 other adults, and 19 children, a group of right wing activists are planning on marching, armed, to within one mile of the Capitol Mall, their so-called "Restore the Constitution rally / Muster Outside DC."

I wonder what George Washington would have done about either the Hutaree or the Muster Outside DC? Well, no, actually, I don't wonder, because exactly similar situations did happen during the life of the first President of the United States, and I know exactly what he ordered done about it, and what he did about his day's TEA Party while he was at it.

"Rebellion against a king may be pardoned or lightly punished, but the man who dares to rebel against the laws of a republic ought to suffer death."
Samuel Adams, 1787, on the subject of Shays' Rebellion
Between 1784 and 1787, there were a group of people who thought that the government of the United States had betrayed them. Many of them were Revolutionary War veterans, and there is no real doubt that they had a legitimate grievance, albeit one that the government flatly couldn't do anything to fix. In 1787, a retired soldier named Daniel Shays called up an armed march on Washington DC very like the one that the Muster Outside DC has planned. He and his Regulators, as they called themselves, declared that their intention was not to overthrow the government, but that they were carrying their service weapons to impress on Congress that they were serious. To retired general George Washington, however, carrying their weapons to impress on Congress that they were serious was armed rebellion enough. On his advice, the Founding Fathers called back up the volunteer army, ordered Shays and his Rebellion to disperse and disarm, and when they disobeyed, our Founding Fathers ordered them gunned down.

A few years later, in 1791, after General Washington had been elected President (which shows you how uncontroversial the Founders' generation thought his wholesale arrest of and the substantial death toll among Shays' gun rights enthusiasts were), he faced another group of "protesters." People in the mountain west (which at the time meant the Appalachians, not the Rockies) had already decided that they were being Taxed Enough Already, that if the government needed to make national debt payments it should reduce federal government instead of raising taxes, when the Washington administration persuaded Congress to pass the first "sin tax," a tax on whiskey and other distilled spirits. In the considered legal opinion of those who felt that they were Taxed Enough Already, this was an unconstitutional tax. The first "Tenthers," they argued on 10th amendment grounds that nothing in the Constitution gave the Washington administration, or Congress, the authority to collect taxes on anything other than a per-citizen tax on states and any taxes on imports, that under the doctrine of enumerated rights the federal government could not tax anything else. The courts, and Congress, were unpersuaded by their argument.

Rather than pay the tax, though, and then vote out those who disagreed with them in the next election, the protesters who felt that they were Taxed Enough Already began holding increasingly loud and violent protests, which culminated in attacks on the homes of tax collectors. At the first sign of violence, President Washington responded to the Whiskey Rebellion the same way he responded to Shays' Rebellion: he called up the army and sent them after the anti-tax protesters. Knowing from recent history that Washington wasn't bluffing, they surrendered, and 20 of their leaders were put on trial for their crimes. Had they not surrendered, there is no meaningful doubt what would have happened: George Washington would have ordered the army to gun down any of them too stupid to lay down their weapons and peacefully disperse.

Since then, we've perhaps gone a little soft. Scarcely a generation had gone by before the American people began to wonder if maybe Washington had over-reacted to those rebellions, if some more peaceful way of negotiating with them could have worked, if calling up the army was really the appropriate response. And in acknowledgment of the fact that soldiers are trained to shoot to kill, not to make arrests, we've long since ruled out any future use of the military to put down any but the largest and most heavily armed of rebellions. Still, have no doubt about this: "the original intent of the Founders," were they here today, would be to order all of these loud-mouthed vandals and heavily armed rednecks to lay down their weapons, peacefully return to their homes, and respect the electoral process ... or else be gunned down by federal troops, or else to die in the dirt like dogs.

So for a group of armed men to declare their intention to march, weapons in hand, to within a mile of the Capitol on the 15th anniversary of the worst act of domestic terrorism since the Civil War, and expect us not to treat this as a threat of armed rebellion just because they promise to stop one mile short (this time?) is so outrageous that I'm leaning more and more towards taking President Washington's side in this, and was already leaning that way before allies of theirs were arrested on the verge of unveiling a horrible act of murderous terror a few states over. On the day before the health insurance reform vote in the House, members of this movement (egged on by idiotic Republicans waving from the balcony above) waved signs outside the Capitol building saying "We Came Unarmed -- This Time" and "If Brown Can't Stop It, A Browning Will." Do they expect us to forget that this is the next time?

These are people who have made it clear that they will not honor the results of last November's election, and made clear their intent to take up arms over it. I'm increasingly convinced that it is time for the federal government to treat them, and their leaders, the way that they increasingly deserve. Some reliable and professional branch of federal law enforcement like the US Marshals should confront them well short of that park, guns loaded and drawn, accuse them of armed insurrection, and order them to lay down their weapons and disperse. If they refuse, or resist? Well, then that'll settle it: President Washington was right, and his was the only way to preserve American democracy.

(Watch Republican officials and opinion leaders squirm uncomfortably, this week, as they only now, belatedly, only after feeding these treasonous psychotics' paranoid fantasies for two years, as only now they insist that the only legitimate outlet for the rage and fear they've stoked against Democrats and against the US government in general is at the ballot box this November. It's a little late for that now, I think. To borrow another phrase much loved by the Founders, they sowed the wind; they will reap the whirlwind. Or at least, now that the guns are drawn, they deserve to.)

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[info]gleef wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 07:52 am (UTC)
MPDC
I hope DC's Finest are waiting at the city limits to make sure the "Restore The Constitution" ralliers are following the District's strict (and constitutional) gun laws, and that they have substantial backup waiting in case the marchers refuse to comply with the law.

I'm all for unlawful protests when it's necessary, but not while armed.
[info]pope_guilty wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 08:23 am (UTC)
Between Waco and OKC, I'm kind of wondering if there isn't going to be an attack on the 19th.
[info]drewkitty wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 05:59 pm (UTC)
You and the entire rest of the Federal government, plus all of the security and law enforcement folks.
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[info]zornhau wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 08:35 am (UTC)
"These are people who have made it clear that they will not honor the results of last November's election, and made clear their intent to take up arms over it. "

Yes, I think that neatly sums up my impression watching from over here. Didn't something like that happen under Clinton as well; they right went for him any way they could, devaluing the Presidency as they did.
[info]pope_guilty wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 08:36 am (UTC)
Also, I expect this march to happen unimpeded by the police, perhaps even assisted by police; the US government has shown a complete deference to the extreme right.
[info]ff00ff wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 08:35 pm (UTC)
Absolutely right. I keep hoping for a confrontation with the law that would start a shooting war. All of these rednecks and their "the south will rise again" bravado just makes me want to say "bring it, you hicks."

But where the police will club and gas and arrest and sick dogs on and shoot rubber bullets at and use water hoses on and pepper spray, and use sonic dispersal devices on and use directed microwave pain beams on peaceful anti-war protesters, I can't help but think that we're all, as a nation, going to pretend that this armed march is a reasonable form of protest.
[info]ponsdorf wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 09:20 am (UTC)
It's perhaps worth noting that there are fringe elements everywhere.

Even the 'muster' thing only shows 15 RSVPs at this time.

And, several milblogs are making an effort to identify the sign-holders you mentioned.

http://www.mudvillegazette.com/033508.html

Suggesting this is some sort of wide spread approaches the silly.
[info]en_ki wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 11:20 am (UTC)
The US has been hit by far more terror attacks from domestic right-wing groups than Islamic terrorists. These particular guys may or may not be a real threat, but the Hutts are; and telling them apart is what we have the FBI for.

I do appreciate that they might be provocateurs, and that in either case it's very much worth identifying them.

[and an aside: Brad, I think you mean "sowed", not "sewed"]
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[info]the_ungoth wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 12:04 pm (UTC)
The way some of the Republican extremists have been screaming that PRESIDENT Obama has taken away "the American dream" and how the passage of this law has been UNCONSTITUTIONAL and now with threats AND ACTS OF violent retribution against those who supported President Obama's reform plan, America is beginning to look an awful like some of those fledgling Middle East democracies that we look upon with such scorn.

It is in Afghanistan, for example, where the RELIGIOUS POLITICAL ULTRA-CONSERVATIVES are using force of intimidation and acts of violence to disrupt or prevent THE FAIR ELECTORAL PROCESS OF DEMOCRACY.

Its not the first time the hard-core Republican elite of America have embraced the methods of "the enemy."
[info]explodingbat wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 12:30 pm (UTC)
>Its not the first time the hard-core Republican elite of America have embraced the methods of "the enemy."
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[info]snowcalla wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 12:51 pm (UTC)
In case you haven't noticed, the last few Presidential elections were followed by people refusing to accept the elections results. And were then followed by idiots with signs that threatened violence and even death towards our President and other elected officials. It's been escalating since 2000.

Movies were made about assassinating our sitting President and those of who thought that was wildly inappropriate and only fueled the flames were told to chill out. Protesters with signs that said Bomb The White House and Kill Bush were an increasingly common occurrence. Blogs were going full steam ahead with hateful and violent speech - and were not rebuked. Rocks were thrown at the President's car while he was in it. When this was pointed out as something dangerous - this escalation of violence - it was laughed off by those on the Left. It wasn't important and was even funny. After all, Bush deserved, right? Screw him.

No, screw us. Showing increasing acceptance of violence and threats against our elected officials of ANY Party only encourages more of the same. And now we are getting more of the same. And worse. So NOW you're worried about it? Just now?

Violence and threats against our elected officials should NEVER be tolerated. They caught the guy who was threatening Cantor and his family. Good. I hope they catch the other criminals who threatened other elected officials. That kind of behavior should never be acceptable - no matter who it is directed against.

So...you are late to the party, but you are welcome anyway.
[info]lordperrin wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 01:17 pm (UTC)
Finally, I was starting to wonder if everyone reading here had forgotten that the left had done the exact same thing, including refusing to accept election results.
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[info]lassiter wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 01:50 pm (UTC)
I know that political parties are a game, and that our system functions as a plutocracy rather than a constitutional republic. But, there are factions among the rulers, and some factions (including the controllers of the "mainstream media" - it's NOT just Fox News giving respectability and coverage to "crazy talk") apparently think it's a Good Idea to promote a Kristallnacht-style bloodbath or two. Not a genocidal holocaust, but simply the sort of staged pseudo-anarchy atmosphere that brings dictators to power.
[info]ladybrigid wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 03:18 pm (UTC)
The more I learn about them the happier I am that they're now behind bars. Domestic groups who hide behind a cross can seem to get away with damned near anything in this country, because when they scream "Anti-christ!" and "Discrimination!" normal people back off in fear. It's past time they faced the fact that we are first and foremost a nation of laws and when you break the law there are consequences.
[info]voodoojeanne wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 03:35 pm (UTC)
Propagandist history
No sympathy here for the teapartiers, but your history of Shay's rebellion and the Whiskey Rebellion are both a bit slanted. Howard Zinn devoted a chapter to them and their historical context in A People's History of the United States, which you would do well to read. It can be found online.
[info]lordperrin wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 03:47 pm (UTC)
Re: Propagandist history
Thank you for that. Seems Brads and this historian's accounts of these rebellions dont really mesh.
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(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 04:12 pm (UTC)
hmm
So because mistakes were made in the past we should just keep repeating them?

Both sides have nutbags who are willing to kill for what the believe, so because they did it first it's okay that this side does it too?

At some point reasonable people need to put their foot down and put a stop to this sort of thing. Or do those pointing fingers suggest we just wait and see what happens the next time and the next time. How many innocent people and children have to die because we want to point fingers instead of taking action?

OKC CHILDREN Died in that bombing. I am pretty sure the 6 year olds that died could give a care about the politics behind their deaths.

I don't really give a care what political agenda the nutbags have. Like they say EVIL MEN THRIVE because of the INACTION of GOOD MEN.

[info]lordperrin wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 04:37 pm (UTC)
Re: hmm
"Both sides have nutbags who are willing to kill for what the believe, so because they did it first it's okay that this side does it too?"

Absolutely not. But it does make it disingenuous to pretend that the republicans are the only ones that have done it. That kind of partisan revising of/ignoring history only serves to weaken your argument if instead of saying 'attacks on publicly elected officials is wrong' you say 'right wing attacks, right wing fanatics, nothing like this was ever done by democrats, etc...'
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(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 05:25 pm (UTC)
Silly
Since their inception the Teaparty crowd (not a movement since they do have the numbers or clout) have been “haters not debaters”. In my opinion this is what the small portions of the republican party of “birthers, baggers and blowhards” have brought you. They are good at “Follow the Leader” of their dullard leaders, they listen to Beck, Hedgecock, Hannity, O’Reilly, Rush and Savage and the rest of the Blowhards. Are you surprise at what they do when you know what they think? The world is complicated and most republicans (Hamiliton, Lincoln, Roosevelt) believe that we should use government a little to increase social mobility, now its about dancing around the claim of government is the problem. The sainted Reagan passed the biggest tax increase in American history and as a result federal employment increased, but facts are lost when mired in mysticism and superstition. Although some republicans are trying to distant themselves from this fringe most of them are just going along and fanning the flames. Lets face it the Republicans had 8 years to deal with health care, immigration and financial oversight and governance and they failed. They could not even win one of the two wars they started, the body bags are still coming in. The Republicans wanted to give Obama his Waterloo defeat over healthcare but instead they gave themselves their own Waterloo defeat by not participating in the debate of ideas and by becoming the party of obstructionist. But they now claim they have changed, come on, what sucker is going to believe that?
[info]ff00ff wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 08:31 pm (UTC)
How peculiar that I can't find the TV pundits going on the news demanding that these militia men be waterboarded, and held in secret prisons interminably.
[info]cargoweasel wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 09:50 pm (UTC)
I think White Christians need to be detained and strip searched at the airport. Can't be too careful. No-fly lists would be a good idea too.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 09:25 pm (UTC)
The Unintended Consequences
As somebody who, in all honesty, think that y'all are arguing about the best way to end this republic, I feel as though you haven't thought about the real world repercussions of this particular plan of action. While I fully agree that there are terror groups on both sides (I don't know know how screaming about the Constitution and performing a criminal act is any different than screaming about animal rights and performing a criminal act, and how the radical violence of the sixties and seventies is any different than today), resorting to military intervention will create exactly the kind of police state that nobody wants to live in. The reason? Once one side does it, the other side will do it too. Which means, when the other side gets in, they get to pick the bad guys and have them summarily shot (which, by the by, was entirely okay to do in the late 1700's as we were busy hopping war to war and trying to consolidate a country from a lot of enemies "both foreign and domestic"). Those bad guys are gonna be picked and defined by the people in power, and that is not a good idea. Now, the funny thing is, most of the people you guys have been talking about are ALREADY breaking the law and therefore, can be dealt with by due process already in place. That's sorta what i thought rule of law meant anyway, you know, it applies to everybody the same, and such.
[info]bradhicks wrote:
Mar. 30th, 2010 11:37 pm (UTC)
Re: The Unintended Consequences
1) How many people have PETA killed? (Zero)

2) Do the Democrats give PETA the same veto over primary candidates that Republicans give the anti-immigrant nativists in most states and the Christian Right in all states? (No)

3) How many state-wide and national Democratic candidates have bragged of being allied with PETA or campaigned on the PETA platform? (Zero)

So many of you are missing the point, that either I am somehow failing to make this clear or you are being willfully blind: it stops being democratic dissent and becomes terrorism, sedition, and/or treason the first time you aim a gun or a bomb at someone.
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[info]kimchalister wrote:
Apr. 1st, 2010 05:38 am (UTC)
Hutaree
Have any of you gone to the Hutaree website? My spouse tried and found there not only their political stuff but also a bunch of gay porn. What's up with that?
[info]inquisitiveravn wrote:
Apr. 4th, 2010 05:07 am (UTC)
Re: Hutaree
At a guess, your spouse got to the site after 4chan did, and they found it shortly after the moderator(s) either was(were) arrested or fled.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Apr. 1st, 2010 06:49 am (UTC)
My LJ ID is rnk35
I reckon I'm on the other side from most of y'all in this controversy. I attended a local tea party in April of '09, and I tell you I have never met a more polite, easygoing, and friendly bunch of folks. They seemed to be mostly ordinary people, many owners of small businesses among them, judging by the signs on their trucks. There were Christian Constitutionalists, and Randroids as well. (I had to pay for a pocket-sized copy of the Constitution from the former, but the latter gave me a free sampler of Ayn's writings. Now that's weird.)

Brad, why don't you attend a TEA party and see for your self?

[info]bradhicks wrote:
Apr. 2nd, 2010 04:01 pm (UTC)
Re: My LJ ID is rnk35
Because I know who the TEA party activists in this town are, and they are, without exception that I know of, ignorant, vicious racist assholes.
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[info]oathkeepereddie wrote:
Apr. 7th, 2010 02:55 pm (UTC)
Did I get this right, Brad?
Okay, let me see if I got this straight, Brad...

You're advocating that the Federal Government use Federal resources to gun down American citizens who are exercizing their Second Amendment rights?

Is that pretty much it?

That's a heck of a plan ya got there, buddy!

But, why stop at the Second Amendment?

I'm pretty sure that the First Amendment (you know... that "freedom of speech" thing?) probably really irritates Government types too. That "gun 'em down" thing would probably work with that one too. And that Tenth Amendment? The good old "gun 'em down" strategy would pretty much settle that whole "States' Rights" thing once and for all, eh?

Heck... Why not just throw all of those pesky "Constitutional rights" out the window?

And the beauty of your solution is that it's a "one-size-fits-all" kinda thing.

Just think... Whenever a Conservative administration gets in power, they can do the same thing to all those bothersome liberal protesters!

Brad, I think maybe you've hit on some kind of "final solution" here, Dude!

Although ammo's kinda expensive right now... (gotta be frugal with those tax dollars, right?)...

Maybe you could come up with a more efficient method? Hmmmm... Let's see...

Ah... I know you'll come up with something.

Oh well... I guess you can just stick to that "government from the barrel of a gun" thing for now.

Wait...

What's that noise I hear? Is that clapping?

I believe it is!

Hey, look at that!

It's Chairman Mao!... and Joe Stalin!... and Groucho Marx?... (Nah, that's Karl... my mistake!)... and get a load of Nikita banging his shoe!...

And over there on the right?... It's Adolph!... and Benito!... Ya just gotta love "Il Duce", right?

How 'bout that?

Applause from the left AND the right!

Stand up and take a bow, Brad!

You got a standing ovation!...

:-)
[info]bradhicks wrote:
Apr. 11th, 2010 02:47 am (UTC)
Re: Did I get this right, Brad?
You have no "constitutional right" to engage in armed insurrection. Marching on the capital with guns drawn is not a "constitutional right."

If a conservative President is in power and he happens to see liberal marchers marching on Washington with guns drawn, to commemorate the anniversary of the worst act of domestic terrorism in US history, he (or she) has my permission to gun them down, too. Except, of course, that it won't happen; you can't find one example in all of American history of an armed liberal mob marching on Washington. Even the Bonus Army marchers came unarmed. Why? Because the minute you pick up a gun, the minute you even implicitly threaten your elected officials with death if they don't give in to your demands, you are no mere "protester." You're an armed insurrectionist.
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[info]kimchalister wrote:
Apr. 10th, 2010 09:39 pm (UTC)
Sara Robinson?
Brad -- Have you read Sara Robinson's latest? It's at both CAF and Orcinus. I think she's going to do a follow-up piece too: I sent her a reply I got from one of my "independent" friends, and she said it was the same she'd heard over and over and maybe she'd better address it.

http://dneiwert.blogspot.com/
(Anonymous) wrote:
Apr. 11th, 2010 12:46 am (UTC)
Re: Sara Robinson?
I went and read that. Wow, what color is the sky on her planet? Where I saw she wrote "according to SPLC", I knew I was reading fiction, or delusion. I think the people on her side are the ones systematically destroying the Republic.
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