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Thank you, Barbara Ehrenreich (LiveJournal feed: [info]barbaras_blog), for breaking the only news story I've heard this election cycle to scare me more than John McCain's saber-rattling about Iraq: "Hillary's Nasty Pastorate," 3/19/08. See also Kathryn Joyce and Jeff Sharlet, "Hillary's Prayer: Hillary Clinton's Religion and Politics," Mother Jones, 9/1/07.

We're all scandalized, supposedly, by the fact that Barack Obama might not have stormed out of church in a huff when he heard the US accused of state sponsorship of terrorists (when, in fact, that is exactly what the US was doing, in Nicaragua, at the time). I have a better idea than that. How about we all go way beyond scandalized, and into knee-knocking terrified, when we find out that for 15 years now, Hillary Clinton's regular church services have been with a Dominionist group called The Fellowship Foundation, aka "the Family," aka "the Fellowship," a group of very wealthy and powerful fundamentalists whose goal is nothing less than the overthrow of the US constitution and its replacement with the King James Bible, lead by Doug Coe? According to Ehrenreich, for the last 7 years, since her election to the US Senate, she's been a member of the group's inner circle.

(See also Jeff Sharlet, "Jesus Plus Nothing: Undercover among America's secret theocrats," Harper's Magazine, March 2003, and the book that apparently broke the story on the Clinton/Dominionism connection, Jeff Sharlet, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, Harper Press: 2008.)

Nor is she shy about it; just overlooked by people who don't realize what it means when she praises guys like Doug Coe, or when she selectively quotes the Scriptures she does when she uses her alleged Christian faith as proof that she's more electable than Barack Obama or John McCain. People don't realize, heck I didn't even realize, that she isn't pandering, or kidding, or being any kind of ecumenical (let alone legitimately spiritual) Christian; she's talking very specifically about the explicitly Satanic counterfeit Christianity I wrote about at length in my 2004 series, "Christians in the Hand of an Angry God" (parts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5) -- the so-called "Christianity" that elevates Republican Party expediency and the economics of Ayn Rand above the explicit teachings of Jesus Christ.

Her oft-stated admiration for Doug Coe goes a long way towards explaining what a so-called feminist was doing championing a bill that would allow anti-abortion cops to refuse to guard abortion clinics, allow right wing fundamentalist pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control pills. But then, in all her time in politics, I've never even heard of Hillary Clinton advocating for more rights, or better defense of the rights, of any American woman except for one. Hillary Clinton's "feminism," so far as it applies to American women, starts and stops at her stalwart, life-long defense of her god-given inalienable right to be President. Other women? She's always been too busy helping appoint Satanic Ritual Abuse prosecutors like Janet Reno to high positions of power, helping Wal-Mart defend itself against lawsuits by women who've proven that Wal-Mart is prejudiced against female applicants for managers' jobs, and holding weekly prayer meetings with anti-gay colleagues like Rick "man-on-dog" Santorum to even listen to what other women need or want, let alone care.

It's been suggested by some that Hillary Clinton's mentorship under Doug Coe and others from the religious right, like her years spent on the Wal-Mart board of directors, is not principled, but opportunistic. The best-case-scenario, one that some are arguing for without giving any evidence, without showing any reason to think they might be right, is that Hillary Clinton has spent her life sucking up to, and pretending to go along with, wealthy right-wingers in hopes of suckering them into complacency, that she's just biding her time until the glorious day when she can assume her rightful place as Ruler of the Free World, and then, oh, then, she'll show them (and us) her true liberal feminist stripes. 30 years ago, maybe that even was what she was thinking. But even if it's true, she's spent that whole 30 years marinating in the right-wing Republican and Christian Dominionist world-view. When she thinks about problems now, she thinks about them using their framework, describes them using their terms, evaluates them based on principles she's absorbed from them. One of the most important points Sara Robinson made in her excellent three-part series on the history of how conservatives out-maneuvered progressives and liberals to rule the country (Campaign for America's Future, "Learning from the Cultural Conservatives", parts 1, 2, and 3) is that from that movement's very beginning, they've known something very important: you don't have to tell a politician how to vote, if you control how they think.

Comments

[info]unusualmusic wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 11:03 am (UTC)
Oh dear. Oh heavens.
[info]arachnophiliac wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 12:47 pm (UTC)
Thanks for highlighting this. I've been passing around Sharlet's original Harper's article for a couple of years now. Unbelievable stuff.
[info]cargoweasel wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 02:03 pm (UTC)
Why does it feel like this election cycle represents a battle between old and new, both within the Democratic party and out of it, McCain/Clinton epitomizing the single-party-with-two-heads machine that has dominated american politics for decades, vs. someone who might not be as "experienced" but at least represents something genuinely new?

But I don't think the single-party-with-two-heads will give up power easily, if at all.

[info]bradhicks wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 02:30 pm (UTC)
It feels like that because it's true. Sara Robinson isn't wrong when she says that the reason the worst factions in the Republican Party rule the world is because they spent 30 years (I'd say 40+, now, I know it started before the 1970s) in relentless effort to reframe every debate in America in ways favorable to their world-view. The Clintons' "triangulation" is, and always has been, a surrender to the religious right and the country-club Republicans on the most disastrous terms, a surrender on every matter of principle. It's left both of them in the untenable position of trying to argue for Democratic Party preferred outcomes in terms that are palatable to someone who disbelieves everything that the Democratic Party believes, disbelieves everything that ever made America a great and powerful nation, disbelieves the things that picked us up out of the wreckage of the Hoover and Coolidge administrations.
[info]fizzyland wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 04:49 pm (UTC)
Bill Hicks had a nice riff on this and how we have the option of the puppet on the left or the puppet on the right and when someone points out that the same person is controlling both, is told to shut up.
[info]shakespearemofo wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 03:00 pm (UTC)
Okay, I'm going to read this again in a few because... dear lord it sounds like you jumped off the sanity train. I normally consider you extremely well reasoned, and this reads like "OMG conspiracy! Hillary is satanatic!!!"

Give me a second to blink and clear my head. You can't be saying what I think you're saying.
[info]bradhicks wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 03:04 pm (UTC)
The only unfair thing about your summary is that Dominionist fundamentalist Christians have been so thoroughly lied to, over the years, about what the Bible says that they don't know that their theology was crafted by people who were overtly Satanist, and sold to them as a pack of lies. See the "Christians in the Hand of an Angry God" links, above.

If what Ehrenreich and Shalert are reporting is true, and I know of no reason to doubt them, then by attending Doug Coe's religious services and praying with Rick Santorum, Hillary Clinton almost certainly sincerely believes that she is being faithful to Jesus Christ. But if the Bible, which stands in overt contradiction of what's taught in fundamentalist seminaries, is true, then she is not being true to the teachings of Jesus Christ, whether she knows it or not.
[info]fizzyland wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 04:53 pm (UTC)
I think the hard part to sell is the claim of them being overtly Satanist. I'd put Dominionist dogma down to authoritarianism and that the authors of this school of fear-based theology are materialists at heart.
[info]krinndnz wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 05:06 pm (UTC)
"Overtly" doesn't mean "self-described" here - this gets explained in those five "Christians In The Hands Of An Angry God" articles, at length.
[info]brynndragon wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 05:56 pm (UTC)
There is another way in which it is Satanic - the idea that power is a virtue is something I've heard from people who practice LaVeyan Satanism. This is distinct from [info]bradhicks' essay series in that this form of Satanism is not associated with Christianity (other than being a reaction to it, and there are Satanists who would scoff at me for even making that connection), thus Satanists do not consider themselves good Christians while holding and acting on non-Christian beliefs.
[info]ponsdorf wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 07:00 pm (UTC)
You've forced me into a conundrum.

Here I've been thinking that HRC was simply a socialist; waiting for her opportunity to drag the country into a collectivist nirvana. And that any slight taint of religion on her part was one of temporary convenience.

Now she's just a dupe of the religious right?

Well done!
[info]bradhicks wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 07:19 pm (UTC)
I am convinced, now, that what you believed is what she wants a huge chunk of the Democratic Party to believe. But if you look at how her husband actually governed, and how far to the right of him her statements and her own legislative history have been, and now look at who she calls her spiritual mentor, it's pretty clearly not so. She's a DINO, somewhere out to the far right of Joe Lieberman.

I don't think this "Republicans for Hillary" thing is entirely tactical. I think that if you're a country-club Republican or a member of the Religious Right, she is a lot closer to what you believe than John McCain, secular deficit hawk, is. And nobody should assume that those of us who'd be Democrats for McCain are bluffing when we say that we understand that while he's clearly insane on the subject of the War on Terror, no, I mean really, I mean batshit nuts, on economic and social issues he's clearly more progressive than she is.
[info]ponsdorf wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 07:33 pm (UTC)
Heh, I've said before I'm voting for Obama if he can make it though the process.

Of course, the only thing I like about McCain is the thing you don't. [grin] I'm far more concerned that current polls suggest he could beat either Dem nominee come November. If that becomes fact you and I will have a small sliver of common ground for four years. BDS will be replaced by what? McCain Schizophrenia Disorder?
[info]asim wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 08:32 pm (UTC)
It's early. Polls change, as they have every election cycle. I'd not worry about them this far out, at all...
[info]ponsdorf wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 09:50 pm (UTC)
Quite true. I am still concerned about this current crop of polls though. Sometimes perception becomes reality. Many conservatives I know are struggling to support McCain. Some of the mental gyrations involved are stunning.

But you're right... November is a bit away.

Also see this: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0208/8710.html

Recreate68 now has a web presence: http://www.recreate68.org/

Who knows what will happen?
[info]pope_guilty wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 07:23 pm (UTC)
Here I've been thinking that HRC was simply a socialist; waiting for her opportunity to drag the country into a collectivist nirvana.

What on earth could possibly make you think something like that?
[info]ponsdorf wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 07:34 pm (UTC)
Pretty funny, good use of irony.
[info]pope_guilty wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 07:39 pm (UTC)
I'm serious. How on earth do you take the woman whose husband overlooked the greatest slashing of welfare benefits in recent history and call her a socialist? She's another Joseph Lieberman, not an Emma Goldman.
[info]ponsdorf wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 09:43 pm (UTC)
Sorry about that... excluding her election year pandering I still see her as part of the liberal/left. This thing that Brad found is profound, but there's also the various college professors, etc, that she's embraced for years. To say nothing of her 'health care' plan. I truly don't have the time just now to offer citations.

Regardless, I will not vote for her come November. I do hope Obama runs against McCain.
[info]pope_guilty wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 09:54 pm (UTC)
excluding her election year pandering I still see her as part of the liberal/left.

but there's also the various college professors, etc, that she's embraced for years.

And I'm curious as to why. Stop speaking in such vagueries and give me even a single reason to believe that she's not part of the same scumfuck center-right orientation as Lieberman and the rest of the DLC.
[info]bradhicks wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 12:04 am (UTC)
Her original health-care plan amounted to a huge taxpayer funded giveaway to the insurance companies. It was absolutely identical to the Bush prescription drug plan, only applied to all medical care. If she hadn't been a Democrat, and if she hadn't been such a jerk to the insurance industry lobbyists while she was working on it, they'd have carried her on their shoulders. Which, come to think of it, if you check the campaign finance databases, they're actually doing this year. No, really; this woman is no liberal, and hasn't been since college 40 years ago.
[info]satyrblade wrote:
Mar. 25th, 2008 07:50 pm (UTC)
Socialists don't sit on the BODs of Wal-Mart or champion management over labor in disputes. Both Clintons are as far from socialism as one could get without being a libertarian.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 07:38 pm (UTC)
A week or so ago, someone using the handle "Christian Prophet" simultaneously spammed quite a few blogs I read with links to this site (http://christianprophecy.blogspot.com/) and a couple of others more-or-less indistinguishable from it in style and content. I was immediately reminded of Mr. Hicks' five-part series, but these blogs were so over-the-top in their Bizarro-Christianity (I mean, quoting the Gospels and the avowedly anti-Christian atheist Ayn Rand in successive paragraphs of the very same post?) that I thought they must be some kind of parody. Now I'm not so sure.
[info]snowcalla wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 09:22 pm (UTC)
I can't tell you how many people I have told about this over the past few years and they all say variations of..."But she's a Democrat....we don't DO freaky religions."

(no subject) - [info] - Mar. 23rd, 2008 09:29 pm (UTC)
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 10:11 pm (UTC)
For what it's worth, I saw a couple of bunches of Obama supporters in Philadelphia, and they didn't seem at all desperate. I didn't see any Clinton supporters.
[info]st_ranger wrote:
Mar. 23rd, 2008 10:45 pm (UTC)
It's like you live in Bizarro-World.
[info]bradhicks wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 12:01 am (UTC)
You're welcome to think so. But first of all, Hillary Clinton's ongoing relationship with Doug Coe is just as non-trivial as Barack Obama's relationship with Jeremiah Wright -- and much scarier, to me as a Democrat, because while I can find a lot to agree with Jeremiah Wright about, Doug Coe's a fascist.

And it looks to me like you're almost certainly wrong about Obama being "done." First of all, unless the superdelegates decide to ignore the voters on this, Clinton's been "done" for over a month now. Not only is it mathematically impossible for her to win the nomination before the convention, it's long since reached the point where it's impossible for her to even have a delegate lead, going into the convention.

And your polling data is a couple of days out of date. It was a 2-day or 3-day blip. The end-of-week polling data puts Obama back in the lead over both her and McCain. Check pollster.com or the Campaign Scorecard section at Slate.com. So if that's all she's got, she's through.

Why do you think Bill Richardson endorsed when he did? Just because of The Speech? Please. Bill Richardson knows who's going to win, and wants to be on the winning side. If he thought there was any chance Clinton was going to win, he'd still be hedging his bets, hoping for a VP slot or a cabinet nod from whoever wins. Now that he knows who's going to win, he's taking sides. Bet me.
[info]neonchameleon wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 12:24 am (UTC)
Anyway, Obama's done.

Which is why he is once again ahead of Clinton nationally.

Hillary as a 26-point lead in Pennslyvania

Let's play spot the outlier.

and may even carry North Carolina

She'll need an upset

*yawn*
[info]risu wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 06:53 pm (UTC)

Is the hope that by pushing the story that Obama is "done," that it'll make it true?

I am thinking that if it's okay to do that that I am going to talk a lot more on how conservatism has been utterly discredited with the American people, not least because of the close ties between Bush, McCain, and Godzilla. (Many videos of Godzilla are available on youtube and I think if you look at a few of them you'll see why these close ties might be a bit of a problem for the Republican party.)
[info]satyrblade wrote:
Mar. 25th, 2008 07:55 pm (UTC)
"That awful Obama speech"? What planet are you from, Bizarro? Even many of his opponents consider it one of the more eloquent moments in American political history... except, of course, for the people who don't want to admit that he's right about race relations. Surely you're not one of those, are you?
(no subject) - [info] - Mar. 24th, 2008 12:18 am (UTC)
[info]neonchameleon wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 12:27 am (UTC)
Ummm... Pollster and Realclearpolitics both show Obama's support continuing to drop- there's no blip here.

That's because they took the weekend off. See my link for Gallup's latest.

But it's a pointless argument, because we'll just see in a few days, no? If Clinton wins much, if not all, of the remaining contexts, it will bolster her argument in a brokered convention.

And she needs the help.

But I think watching Obama fall apart is terribly interesting... so I can stand for it to crawl along for a bit.

Don't hold your breath.
[info]satyrblade wrote:
Mar. 31st, 2008 01:10 am (UTC)
See above and below.
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 01:05 pm (UTC)
Just read Sarah Douglas' third piece. I'm impressed and amazed at the amount of long-term, intelligent focus it took for the conservatives as far as they did. I can't think of anything else comparable for groups, though maybe there's something comparable in Communist history.

With all that focus, how did they do something as destructive for their movement as choosing George Bush? Is it just that their whole focus was on winning so that they forgot the "choose non-horrendous leader" bit? Does GW have mysterious mind control powers? Was their ultimate goal to have leaders with enough concentrated power so they could do whatever they wanted without thinking about it? Was it that the US had accumulated enough good luck that we got a stupid evil overlord (who might lose eventually) rather than a smart one?
[info]bradhicks wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 01:39 pm (UTC)
They completely and utterly failed to anticipate 9/11. Without 9/11, Bush would have probably been an affable non-entity, cheerfully rubber-stamping legislation crafted for him by other people. Granted, some of it the same legislation; the housing bubble would still have happened, deregulation would still have happened, securitization of bubble-inflated home mortgages would still have wrecked the economy -- but they didn't believe that. And while Republicans would never admit that they think this, sure, Katrina would have still happened, but most of Bush's backers are the same people who think that Katrina was secretly a blessing from God, a way to destroy the lower 9th ward and redevelop it; if anything, they're probably mildly annoyed that people are complaining about them not instantly rebuilding a slum.

Remember that Bush still enjoys fairly high popularity ratings among Republicans: 72%, as of March, still think he's doing a heck of a job ... on the issues they care about, at least.
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 03:54 pm (UTC)
A lot of people say now that Bush was obviously much worse than the average Republican presidential candidate, but I don't know if that's hindsight bias.

IIRC, what people really said back then was that Bush isn't very bright, but he has smart advisers.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 04:52 pm (UTC)
adivser, handler; potato, potahto
[info]scentofkether wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 02:38 pm (UTC)
I hate it when my instincts are right.

This is terrifying, and I've passed the link around to some people who need to read it.
[info]silveradept wrote:
Mar. 24th, 2008 07:08 pm (UTC)
Hrm. So why doesn't Hillary actually declare her true colors and run as a Republican? Too much of an old-boys club for her to think about actual success?
[info]satyrblade wrote:
Mar. 25th, 2008 07:57 pm (UTC)
Nah - more chance of success if she can continue to sucker feminists into voting with their vaginas instead of their brains.
[info]silveradept wrote:
Mar. 25th, 2008 09:52 pm (UTC)
Depressingly, that sounds like a very plausible reason.
[info]diane_vera wrote:
May. 18th, 2008 10:09 pm (UTC)
Thanks very much for posting this. I've looked up some more information you might find interesting. See the following blog entry of mine: Brad Hicks, calling attention to Hillary Clinton's involvement with Doug Coe's "Family"/"Fellowship".