Thank you, Barbara Ehrenreich (LiveJournal feed: We're all scandalized, supposedly, by the fact that Barack Obama might not have stormed out of church in a huff when he heard the US accused of state sponsorship of terrorists (when, in fact, that is exactly what the US was doing, in Nicaragua, at the time). I have a better idea than that. How about we all go way beyond scandalized, and into knee-knocking terrified, when we find out that for 15 years now, Hillary Clinton's regular church services have been with a Dominionist group called The Fellowship Foundation, aka "the Family," aka "the Fellowship," a group of very wealthy and powerful fundamentalists whose goal is nothing less than the overthrow of the US constitution and its replacement with the King James Bible, lead by Doug Coe? According to Ehrenreich, for the last 7 years, since her election to the US Senate, she's been a member of the group's inner circle.
(See also Jeff Sharlet, "Jesus Plus Nothing: Undercover among America's secret theocrats," Harper's Magazine, March 2003, and the book that apparently broke the story on the Clinton/Dominionism connection, Jeff Sharlet, The Family: The Secret Fundamentalism at the Heart of American Power, Harper Press: 2008.)Nor is she shy about it; just overlooked by people who don't realize what it means when she praises guys like Doug Coe, or when she selectively quotes the Scriptures she does when she uses her alleged Christian faith as proof that she's more electable than Barack Obama or John McCain. People don't realize, heck I didn't even realize, that she isn't pandering, or kidding, or being any kind of ecumenical (let alone legitimately spiritual) Christian; she's talking very specifically about the explicitly Satanic counterfeit Christianity I wrote about at length in my 2004 series, "Christians in the Hand of an Angry God" (parts 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5) -- the so-called "Christianity" that elevates Republican Party expediency and the economics of Ayn Rand above the explicit teachings of Jesus Christ.
Her oft-stated admiration for Doug Coe goes a long way towards explaining what a so-called feminist was doing championing a bill that would allow anti-abortion cops to refuse to guard abortion clinics, allow right wing fundamentalist pharmacists to refuse to fill prescriptions for birth control pills. But then, in all her time in politics, I've never even heard of Hillary Clinton advocating for more rights, or better defense of the rights, of any American woman except for one. Hillary Clinton's "feminism," so far as it applies to American women, starts and stops at her stalwart, life-long defense of her god-given inalienable right to be President. Other women? She's always been too busy helping appoint Satanic Ritual Abuse prosecutors like Janet Reno to high positions of power, helping Wal-Mart defend itself against lawsuits by women who've proven that Wal-Mart is prejudiced against female applicants for managers' jobs, and holding weekly prayer meetings with anti-gay colleagues like Rick "man-on-dog" Santorum to even listen to what other women need or want, let alone care.
It's been suggested by some that Hillary Clinton's mentorship under Doug Coe and others from the religious right, like her years spent on the Wal-Mart board of directors, is not principled, but opportunistic. The best-case-scenario, one that some are arguing for without giving any evidence, without showing any reason to think they might be right, is that Hillary Clinton has spent her life sucking up to, and pretending to go along with, wealthy right-wingers in hopes of suckering them into complacency, that she's just biding her time until the glorious day when she can assume her rightful place as Ruler of the Free World, and then, oh, then, she'll show them (and us) her true liberal feminist stripes. 30 years ago, maybe that even was what she was thinking. But even if it's true, she's spent that whole 30 years marinating in the right-wing Republican and Christian Dominionist world-view. When she thinks about problems now, she thinks about them using their framework, describes them using their terms, evaluates them based on principles she's absorbed from them. One of the most important points Sara Robinson made in her excellent three-part series on the history of how conservatives out-maneuvered progressives and liberals to rule the country (Campaign for America's Future, "Learning from the Cultural Conservatives", parts 1, 2, and 3) is that from that movement's very beginning, they've known something very important: you don't have to tell a politician how to vote, if you control how they think.
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But I don't think the single-party-with-two-heads will give up power easily, if at all.
Give me a second to blink and clear my head. You can't be saying what I think you're saying.
If what Ehrenreich and Shalert are reporting is true, and I know of no reason to doubt them, then by attending Doug Coe's religious services and praying with Rick Santorum, Hillary Clinton almost certainly sincerely believes that she is being faithful to Jesus Christ. But if the Bible, which stands in overt contradiction of what's taught in fundamentalist seminaries, is true, then she is not being true to the teachings of Jesus Christ, whether she knows it or not.
Here I've been thinking that HRC was simply a socialist; waiting for her opportunity to drag the country into a collectivist nirvana. And that any slight taint of religion on her part was one of temporary convenience.
Now she's just a dupe of the religious right?
Well done!
I don't think this "Republicans for Hillary" thing is entirely tactical. I think that if you're a country-club Republican or a member of the Religious Right, she is a lot closer to what you believe than John McCain, secular deficit hawk, is. And nobody should assume that those of us who'd be Democrats for McCain are bluffing when we say that we understand that while he's clearly insane on the subject of the War on Terror, no, I mean really, I mean batshit nuts, on economic and social issues he's clearly more progressive than she is.
Of course, the only thing I like about McCain is the thing you don't. [grin] I'm far more concerned that current polls suggest he could beat either Dem nominee come November. If that becomes fact you and I will have a small sliver of common ground for four years. BDS will be replaced by what? McCain Schizophrenia Disorder?
But you're right... November is a bit away.
Also see this: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/02
Recreate68 now has a web presence: http://www.recreate68.org/
Who knows what will happen?
What on earth could possibly make you think something like that?
Regardless, I will not vote for her come November. I do hope Obama runs against McCain.
but there's also the various college professors, etc, that she's embraced for years.
And I'm curious as to why. Stop speaking in such vagueries and give me even a single reason to believe that she's not part of the same scumfuck center-right orientation as Lieberman and the rest of the DLC.
And it looks to me like you're almost certainly wrong about Obama being "done." First of all, unless the superdelegates decide to ignore the voters on this, Clinton's been "done" for over a month now. Not only is it mathematically impossible for her to win the nomination before the convention, it's long since reached the point where it's impossible for her to even have a delegate lead, going into the convention.
And your polling data is a couple of days out of date. It was a 2-day or 3-day blip. The end-of-week polling data puts Obama back in the lead over both her and McCain. Check pollster.com or the Campaign Scorecard section at Slate.com. So if that's all she's got, she's through.
Why do you think Bill Richardson endorsed when he did? Just because of The Speech? Please. Bill Richardson knows who's going to win, and wants to be on the winning side. If he thought there was any chance Clinton was going to win, he'd still be hedging his bets, hoping for a VP slot or a cabinet nod from whoever wins. Now that he knows who's going to win, he's taking sides. Bet me.
Which is why he is once again ahead of Clinton nationally.
Hillary as a 26-point lead in Pennslyvania
Let's play spot the outlier.
and may even carry North Carolina
She'll need an upset
*yawn*
Is the hope that by pushing the story that Obama is "done," that it'll make it true?
I am thinking that if it's okay to do that that I am going to talk a lot more on how conservatism has been utterly discredited with the American people, not least because of the close ties between Bush, McCain, and Godzilla. (Many videos of Godzilla are available on youtube and I think if you look at a few of them you'll see why these close ties might be a bit of a problem for the Republican party.)
That's because they took the weekend off. See my link for Gallup's latest.
But it's a pointless argument, because we'll just see in a few days, no? If Clinton wins much, if not all, of the remaining contexts, it will bolster her argument in a brokered convention.
And she needs the help.
But I think watching Obama fall apart is terribly interesting... so I can stand for it to crawl along for a bit.
Don't hold your breath.
With all that focus, how did they do something as destructive for their movement as choosing George Bush? Is it just that their whole focus was on winning so that they forgot the "choose non-horrendous leader" bit? Does GW have mysterious mind control powers? Was their ultimate goal to have leaders with enough concentrated power so they could do whatever they wanted without thinking about it? Was it that the US had accumulated enough good luck that we got a stupid evil overlord (who might lose eventually) rather than a smart one?
Remember that Bush still enjoys fairly high popularity ratings among Republicans: 72%, as of March, still think he's doing a heck of a job ... on the issues they care about, at least.
IIRC, what people really said back then was that Bush isn't very bright, but he has smart advisers.
This is terrifying, and I've passed the link around to some people who need to read it.