Imagine a situation with two alternatives, and two people or groups that have to choose which alternative to pick. For reasons that will soon become obvious, we will call one of them the "right thing" and the other one the "wrong thing." In this hypothetical situation, that's not a moral or arbitrary decision, because here's how it works: if they both do the right thing, they both win. If they both do the wrong thing, they both lose. But if only one of them does the right thing, the one who does the wrong thing wins big. Too complex? Call it "playing by the rules" or "cheating." If both parties play by the rules, the outcome of the game is determined by their relative skill and by chance. If both of them cheat, the outcome of the game probably isn't any different, but now both players have a reputation as cheaters and nobody wants to deal with them, the whole game gets a reputation as being crooked. But if only one of them cheats, he wins for sure, and the other guy loses for sure.
Some of you are feeling insulted that I had to offer this example, because it's very old news. But it's very old news that not everybody has heard, so it's worth repeating, in as many ways as possible, because solving the mathematics of this really was one of the five or six most important scientific discoveries of the 20th century. As most of you know, it's (perhaps unfortunately) called The Prisoner's Dilemma, and Wikipedia has a very good summary article on it that's worth reading if any of this is new to you. But for now, take my word for it, and you can check up on me later if you like, but even if you can't think of any examples right off hand, it turns out that there are lots of situations in real life that are accurately modeled by one form or another of The Prisoner's Dilemma.
And I bring this up because it is, in fact, the solid mathematical and scientific justification for almost everything about my politics. If there's something that if everybody does it, we all lose, but if anybody does it, everybody has to do it or lose? Then it's in everybody's best interest that we have some as fair as possible, as neutral as we can keep it social mechanism for detecting the cheaters, exposing the cheaters, and stopping the cheating from getting out of hand. And that, my friends, is called government. But what if someone corrupts some part of the government, then doesn't everybody have to bribe their own part of the government? Yes, and that's bad. And that's why our ancestors invented divided government, checks and balances. But what if that fails, and someone manages to corrupt the whole government? Well, that's pretty darned unlikely, but that's why we invented Freedom of the Press, why we set up an entire different set of organizations, outside the government, that make big money every time they catch someone in the government cheating, but that the government can punish the heck out of if they prove that they were cheating. And that's called democracy, and freedom.
Does this mean that every opportunity to cheat has to have its own referee stationed over it? I hope not. That gets expensive. Imagine a world in which the only thing protecting your property was the quality of the locks on your door. How much would you have to spend on those locks? No, we get by with cheap cruddy locks that are little more than symbolic, in most of our homes and many of our businesses, locks that can be jimmied with a fingernail file faster than they can be opened with the key, because we know that for most purposes, the lock is only there so that the person who does jimmy the lock and who carries off the stuff can't claim afterwards, when they get caught, that they had permission. It can trivially easily be shown that voluntary compliance, where everybody knows that if anybody cheats we all have to cheat, or worse, we all have to spend huge sums of money on preventing and/or catching cheats so we all lose money, and so nobody cheats, is the cheapest and best way to live.
Unfortunately, it's unstable. Because sooner or later, in any situation, someone loses anyway. Some of them will take it gracefully, retool to compete again, or go on to do something else. But sooner or later, someone looks around, sees that there aren't enough safeguards against cheating to prevent them from getting away from it, and concludes that nobody will be hurt if they, and only they, cheat. And maybe they're right. Or maybe they're not, but maybe they are. But now they're saving money, or making more money than their competitors, by cheating. And pretty soon everybody has to cheat just to keep from losing everything. But that ruins the game, and everybody ends up losing everything anyway.
This all feels perfectly obvious to me. It must not be obvious, because we've got one and a half political parties out of two in the US convinced that government enforced regulations are always bad, and that only voluntary compliance is good. But those political parties, so convinced that rational actors will never cheat if they're allowed to self-regulate, are the only ones scratching their heads (and looking for nefarious explanations) trying to explain a headline that was in the New York Times last week: "In Turnaround, Industries Seek U.S. Regulations" (Eric Lipton and Gardiner Harris, 9/16/07). Especially since one of the examples in there is absolutely textbook quality: the ATV manufacturers who are lobbying for tighter safety standards for ATVs.
See, here's the thing the whole industry figured out decades ago. There was a point where ATVs were starting to get a reputation as death traps. Not only were they being threatened with expensive regulation, no it was worse than that. Customers were coming to the conclusion that it was absolutely inevitable that if you bought an ATV, one or more of your own family members were going to die. Who buys that product? Sure, maybe some people would be overconfident enough of their ability to handle it, and some ignorant enough to ignore the risk, but not nearly enough to support a robust ATV industry, to support the kind of dealer network it takes to get ATVs into customers' hands. So the only way for the industry to not just stave off potentially over-reacting and over-expensive regulation, but more importantly the only way for customers to feel safe buying ATVs for their family to play with, was if the entire industry designed safer ATVs and that was all they sold. Why does it have to be the whole industry? Because there's a paradox here: the unsafe ATVs are a lot more fun, while the fun lasts. Make a less safe ATV than your competitor, and all his customers will defect to your brand ... right up until he makes his ATVs less safe to catch back up, and so does everybody else competing with the two of you, and so many people die that customers get spooked and stop buying ATVs altogether. So with that strong an incentive, companies came up with a voluntary code governing safety features on ATVs a long time ago. But what do you know? Somebody's losing money. Somebody hungry enough to say, you know what? If I'm the only one who makes dangerous ATVs, what harm will it do? And in this case, what a shock, it's a Chinese company, one that wasn't here when the ATV market almost tanked last time, one that doesn't understand as viscerally what would happen if they succeeded in dragging everybody down to their level. So unsurprisingly, the ATV manufacturers have taken their voluntary code to Congress, and to the federal regulatory agencies, and are lobbying hard to make it mandatory. Because they discovered that, at least for now, it's the only way to keep somebody from cheating. And if everybody cheats, they all have to cheat, and the whole game collapses.
And you know what that's called? It's called classical liberalism. And it's a mark of what's wrong with the world today that I have to explain that all over again, that we somehow forgot why we went that way in the first place. There's a line I'm very fond of, I think it comes from Fiddler on the Roof, about how tradition is the collection of solutions to problems we solved so long ago that we don't even remember what the problems were? Well, guess what ... there were really good reasons for the tradition of classical liberalism. We got argued into trying getting rid of it, to see if the problems would come back, in no small part because after decades of prosperity, we forgot what the problems were. And now they're all coming roaring back. So, unsurprisingly, from health care to regulation of health care products, from taxes to fund public infrastructure to prohibitions on polluting public air and water, even the most hard-nosed business managers and CEOs are now ahead of the curve, ahead of the politicians: an ever increasing number of them are clamoring to get classical liberalism back.
Some of you are feeling insulted that I had to offer this example, because it's very old news. But it's very old news that not everybody has heard, so it's worth repeating, in as many ways as possible, because solving the mathematics of this really was one of the five or six most important scientific discoveries of the 20th century. As most of you know, it's (perhaps unfortunately) called The Prisoner's Dilemma, and Wikipedia has a very good summary article on it that's worth reading if any of this is new to you. But for now, take my word for it, and you can check up on me later if you like, but even if you can't think of any examples right off hand, it turns out that there are lots of situations in real life that are accurately modeled by one form or another of The Prisoner's Dilemma.
And I bring this up because it is, in fact, the solid mathematical and scientific justification for almost everything about my politics. If there's something that if everybody does it, we all lose, but if anybody does it, everybody has to do it or lose? Then it's in everybody's best interest that we have some as fair as possible, as neutral as we can keep it social mechanism for detecting the cheaters, exposing the cheaters, and stopping the cheating from getting out of hand. And that, my friends, is called government. But what if someone corrupts some part of the government, then doesn't everybody have to bribe their own part of the government? Yes, and that's bad. And that's why our ancestors invented divided government, checks and balances. But what if that fails, and someone manages to corrupt the whole government? Well, that's pretty darned unlikely, but that's why we invented Freedom of the Press, why we set up an entire different set of organizations, outside the government, that make big money every time they catch someone in the government cheating, but that the government can punish the heck out of if they prove that they were cheating. And that's called democracy, and freedom.
Does this mean that every opportunity to cheat has to have its own referee stationed over it? I hope not. That gets expensive. Imagine a world in which the only thing protecting your property was the quality of the locks on your door. How much would you have to spend on those locks? No, we get by with cheap cruddy locks that are little more than symbolic, in most of our homes and many of our businesses, locks that can be jimmied with a fingernail file faster than they can be opened with the key, because we know that for most purposes, the lock is only there so that the person who does jimmy the lock and who carries off the stuff can't claim afterwards, when they get caught, that they had permission. It can trivially easily be shown that voluntary compliance, where everybody knows that if anybody cheats we all have to cheat, or worse, we all have to spend huge sums of money on preventing and/or catching cheats so we all lose money, and so nobody cheats, is the cheapest and best way to live.
Unfortunately, it's unstable. Because sooner or later, in any situation, someone loses anyway. Some of them will take it gracefully, retool to compete again, or go on to do something else. But sooner or later, someone looks around, sees that there aren't enough safeguards against cheating to prevent them from getting away from it, and concludes that nobody will be hurt if they, and only they, cheat. And maybe they're right. Or maybe they're not, but maybe they are. But now they're saving money, or making more money than their competitors, by cheating. And pretty soon everybody has to cheat just to keep from losing everything. But that ruins the game, and everybody ends up losing everything anyway.
This all feels perfectly obvious to me. It must not be obvious, because we've got one and a half political parties out of two in the US convinced that government enforced regulations are always bad, and that only voluntary compliance is good. But those political parties, so convinced that rational actors will never cheat if they're allowed to self-regulate, are the only ones scratching their heads (and looking for nefarious explanations) trying to explain a headline that was in the New York Times last week: "In Turnaround, Industries Seek U.S. Regulations" (Eric Lipton and Gardiner Harris, 9/16/07). Especially since one of the examples in there is absolutely textbook quality: the ATV manufacturers who are lobbying for tighter safety standards for ATVs.
See, here's the thing the whole industry figured out decades ago. There was a point where ATVs were starting to get a reputation as death traps. Not only were they being threatened with expensive regulation, no it was worse than that. Customers were coming to the conclusion that it was absolutely inevitable that if you bought an ATV, one or more of your own family members were going to die. Who buys that product? Sure, maybe some people would be overconfident enough of their ability to handle it, and some ignorant enough to ignore the risk, but not nearly enough to support a robust ATV industry, to support the kind of dealer network it takes to get ATVs into customers' hands. So the only way for the industry to not just stave off potentially over-reacting and over-expensive regulation, but more importantly the only way for customers to feel safe buying ATVs for their family to play with, was if the entire industry designed safer ATVs and that was all they sold. Why does it have to be the whole industry? Because there's a paradox here: the unsafe ATVs are a lot more fun, while the fun lasts. Make a less safe ATV than your competitor, and all his customers will defect to your brand ... right up until he makes his ATVs less safe to catch back up, and so does everybody else competing with the two of you, and so many people die that customers get spooked and stop buying ATVs altogether. So with that strong an incentive, companies came up with a voluntary code governing safety features on ATVs a long time ago. But what do you know? Somebody's losing money. Somebody hungry enough to say, you know what? If I'm the only one who makes dangerous ATVs, what harm will it do? And in this case, what a shock, it's a Chinese company, one that wasn't here when the ATV market almost tanked last time, one that doesn't understand as viscerally what would happen if they succeeded in dragging everybody down to their level. So unsurprisingly, the ATV manufacturers have taken their voluntary code to Congress, and to the federal regulatory agencies, and are lobbying hard to make it mandatory. Because they discovered that, at least for now, it's the only way to keep somebody from cheating. And if everybody cheats, they all have to cheat, and the whole game collapses.
And you know what that's called? It's called classical liberalism. And it's a mark of what's wrong with the world today that I have to explain that all over again, that we somehow forgot why we went that way in the first place. There's a line I'm very fond of, I think it comes from Fiddler on the Roof, about how tradition is the collection of solutions to problems we solved so long ago that we don't even remember what the problems were? Well, guess what ... there were really good reasons for the tradition of classical liberalism. We got argued into trying getting rid of it, to see if the problems would come back, in no small part because after decades of prosperity, we forgot what the problems were. And now they're all coming roaring back. So, unsurprisingly, from health care to regulation of health care products, from taxes to fund public infrastructure to prohibitions on polluting public air and water, even the most hard-nosed business managers and CEOs are now ahead of the curve, ahead of the politicians: an ever increasing number of them are clamoring to get classical liberalism back.


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Isn't there the possibility that rather than tanking the whole ATV market, the stigma would simply attach itself to the Chinese imports? ie: "ATVs were safe, till China started making them, and food was safe, till we got China's food is bulked out with cardboard and urea, and toys were safe, until China started using Lead paint on them, etc."
Voluntary controls will only go so far, until you find someone else who is willing to fudge the controls. I think there is an awareness that unless you set the baseline control somewhere as mandatory, if it isn't China, someone else might break the controls.
In the case of the toys, I know at least Disney has put in base level controls for all suppliers, because I think there is an awareness that the problem isn't per se with China, but rather with selecting the lowest cost supplier possible. The peril of free trade is that while today it happens to be China, it could be anyone else 10 years from now.
Every industry in America needs American customers to be able to afford to buy their products. Every industry in America makes money as long as they all pay their employees enough that their employees can go out and buy each others' products. But the first guy to cut wages below that creates only minor, local suffering ... while saving enough money to buy out his competitors, unless they cut wages too. Ultimately nobody can afford to buy anything, and the whole economy collapses.
Every industry in America is looking nervously at consumer confidence numbers right now, and knows that the fear of getting stuck with medical bills they can't pay is one of the things that's scaring people out of spending money, people going bankrupt because they've already been stuck with those bills is one of the things that's depressing profitability for businesses from auto makers to credit card issuing banks, from clothing to furniture. But if you're the only one who buys enough health insurance for your workers and their families that they don't have to be afraid, that they don't go bankrupt, then your costs are much higher than your competitors, and they buy you out.
So, unsurprisingly, hikes in the minimum wage are no longer considered political suicide, and for the first time ever, we have rising enthusiasm among the businesses and among the shareholders whose taxes will pay for a big chunk of it for national universal health care. Why? Because if nobody pays for it, the economy collapses. If everybody pays for it, as they did from about 1945 to about 1975 more or less voluntarily, everybody benefits and nobody is at a competitive disadvantage. But once a few companies start to withdraw, everybody suffers. See? Prisoner's Dilemma again.
This assumes that what I want to spend my money on is my own health, much less yours.
This assumes that the government will decide correctly how much money to spend.
This assumes that the problem of health care is the in the word health and not in the word care.
This assumes that the solution to the problems created by an ill-conceived government monopoly [The doctor monopoly, specifically] is yet another government monopoly.
There's an article I encountered the other day,
http://www.joelonsoftware.com/artic
Mr. Spolsky observes that when we model a process, we model it in an inaccurate way. Usually that works, but sometimes the flaws in the model filter upwards and make things go wrong.
I think that the debate on taxes is actually a place where the money abstraction and free market abstractions leak. If nobody buys transparency and fairness for the market, then money ceases to be a measure of work and productivity and becomes instead a measure of ability to cheat.
And in fact, no amount of work is *enough*, really. We can't afford full transparency and full fairness---we'd have no wealth left for anything else. Every paycheck and dividend will always include some theft and will always lose some *to* theft.
The only question is what we *can* do. To what degree can we filter that out?
And that's one of the things communal action and regulation is for.
And the thing is, even if a given effort to make things better will result in strictly *less* theft from a given person---even if the ultimate outcome is that a person receives more compensation for their work at the expense of their unworthy---in the money abstraction and the market abstraction, it will always look like money is coming out of that person's paycheck in taxes and being spent on things that they don't necessarily approve of.
All of this says nothing about any individual program, mind. I mean, this isn't a demonstration that any given tax is fair; it's not a demonstration that universal health care is good. It's just an observation that it is *possible* for a tax to be fair, even if it reduces the numbers of the paychecks of the healthy while a vaguely institutionally related agency is adding numbers to the paychecks of doctors who are treating people whose numbers in their bank accounts aren't changing quite as much as they used to.
Put another way, as long as you don't profit from coercion, you have the right to trade the labor of your hands and mind for the labor of someone else's hands and mind. But when you use infrastructure, including dollars, you're affecting everybody else who uses that infrastructure.
You will. Everyone gets sick eventually.
This assumes that what I want to spend my money on is my own health, much less yours.
Let me guess...you don't want to pay for someone else's care? That's silly. Everyone benefits if everyone is healthier. Including you.
This assumes that the government will decide correctly how much money to spend.
Well, in the countries that DO have nationalized health care, it's cheaper overall. So, there you go.
This assumes that the problem of health care is the in the word health and not in the word care.
I don't even know what you're trying to say here.
This assumes that the solution to the problems created by an ill-conceived government monopoly [The doctor monopoly, specifically] is yet another government monopoly.
What, would you allow anybody to practice medicine regardless of their expertise, and let the "market" decide who was the better doctor? Did you even READ the post?
Bullshit. If I drop dead of a heart attack I'll consume less care than if I have a stroke and linger for years.
You want the heart attack victim to pay for the stroke victim's care. I would argue this is immoral. Especially when there is moral hazard from preventable diseases.
Let me guess...you don't want to pay for someone else's care?
No, I don't want to pay for my own care. I have teeth rotting in my skull right now because I'm cheap. Needless to say, I care even less about your health.
Well, in the countries that DO have nationalized health care, it's cheaper overall.
Cheaper != better. Third world hell-holes also spend less on their health care, but that isn't an argument in their favor. Additionally I'd note this canadian's experiences with health care. In many cases, faster but more expensive is the better option. I think the decision problem associated with this is too complex to allow for one and only one answer, which is all the government can offer.
What, would you allow anybody to practice medicine regardless of their expertise, and let the "market" decide who was the better doctor?
Let me answer with a question:
You have a fairly routine but severe medical problem. You can be treated by a freshly minted intern on his first day on the job, or you can be treated by a Nurse Practitioner who has 3 years experience and has treated your condition before. The ER is swamped, and your case will receive only a cursory review by the attending physician.
Which person do you want treating you?
Doctors should not be the sole gatekeepers of their own profession. Indeed, no profession should be given such power.
As a bonus question, why does my mother have to get a prescription for medication which she has been on for years, and will continue to be on for the rest of her life? Why does she have to pay some doctor a de facto bribe [ie. pay for an office visit] to renew this script she needs to stay healthy? Why can't she just pick it up from a pharmacy? There's no known potential for abuse (and even if there were, my question would still stand, frankly.)
It would help if the libertarian philosophy didn't boil down to a petulant "I don't wanna, and you can't make me!"
The central claim is much closer to "Social Security is a step on the path to totalitarianism. A small one, but a certain one."
Yes, but Americans who would choose cheaper but slower care (for not-immediately-life-threatening conditions) are generally denied that choice. How is this better?
I agree with you on the ongoing-prescription battle. I suppose for some prescriptions, the doctor's visit is to check your condition - for example, after 2 years of using birth control, my doctor's office wouldn't renew my prescription again until I came in for a gyn exam. I was pissed off, but I understand their reasoning.
What, you'd rather it all fell apart and no one had anything than that you should help someone less fortunate than you?
Makes sense. But why are they just now figuring it out?
(bemusedoutsider here)
Because, as Brad said, the last time they figured it out was too long ago for people alive today to remember it.
And because many people believe what they are told about how the world works against all evidence.
I used this exact analogy on a hacker former-friend-of-mine. He was telling me about his program that skimmed minuscule amounts of money from thousands of bank accounts. (This was the very early '90s.) When I replied that he was stealing from people like me, his retort was that "if people want to be safe from people like me, they need to know how to stop us. That way, I promote informational freedom."
"So," I countered, "your idea of freedom is bigger locks on everybody's doors?" He had no answer to that - literally had not thought of things that way. And that's the ultimate culmination and flaw with deregulation: in order to stop the people who will cheat the system, everybody needs to "lock their stuff up" so securely that true freedom becomes a memory. A moderate amount of regulation ensures the greatest amount of trust, and without a certain degree of trust, both freedom and commerce become impossible.
Which is not to say you don't have a good point here, just that you're very much using the wrong terminology to describe it.
Now, to the extent that a formal system for dealing with torts is also a cornerstone of classical liberalism, it does have that in common with what you're talking about. Tort resolution is ex-post-facto justice, though, not a priori regulation, which is really what you're talking about here. The former is classical liberalism. That latter is not.
So while I agree with you that the iterated Prisoner's Dilemma more or less requires us to have an institution of regulation which can facilitate all of us playing by the rules (and even help establish what those rules ought to be), I disagree that the name for that is Classical Liberalism. It's not.
Whaaaat?
The burden of regulation falls hardest on the ideas and activities we haven't foreseen with our plans.
Businesses rarely ask the government to require them to do things that they don't want to do, but rather ask that their competitors be required to do things that they themselves already do, or want to do.
If saving lives were a real goal, rather than a fig leaf, we would not be having our government decide what the manufacturers must do, but rather would set a hard goal with steep financial penalties for failure, and let the businesses find their own way to manage to get there.
"Steep financial penalties for failure" always translates to "so much money the companies go to court and drag out the cases forever because that's cheaper than paying for their guilt". Superfund was supposed to make big polluters pay to clean up their mess. But they'd already spent the profits from polluting, so they've found it more profitable to go to court and file endless delaying actions.
Meanwhile, the people who die using dangerous ATVs stay dead. Money won't bring someone back.
In fact, the key point I'm trying to get across is that there will always be someone shortsighted enough to count on luck to avoid having to pay compensation for wrongful death. The rest of us should not have to suffer for their shortsightedness. And the only reliable way to make sure we don't suffer is to mandate of harm, not to threaten penalties that would only apply after it's too late.
I'm confused as to what you mean by this - do you want to require manufacturers to idiot-proof their products? Because SOMEONE can always figure out a way to maim or kill themselves with a product.
If this gives you pause and disbelief, think of this: People would drive a great deal more carefully if there was a spike on their steering wheels that would impale them if they were in even the tiniest fender bender. The reverse proposition, that people drive more recklessly when they have airbags etc. shouldn't be too hard to get to from there.
Adding the third taillight to cars in the late '80s/early '90s reduced accident rates considerably. For about 4-5 years. Now, accident rates are back to where before they were added. Generally it is assumed this is because the average driver has gotten used to the third taillight, and now ignores it more successfully.
My point was that if we required the manufacturers to keep the death rate down, rather than writing a specification for a particular feature, such as the third taillight, more lives would be saved. I argue that the ATV manufacturers aren't interested in actual safety mandates, they are interested in safety theater mandates. They don't want to make safer vehicles, they want their customers to feel that their vehicles are safer. If they actually make them safer as a byproduct, well woo hoo. But we as a government shouldn't be fooled by this attitude, but should insist on real improvements in survivability, feelings of the consumer be damned.