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Why I Read Heinlein

  • Aug. 3rd, 2007 at 12:08 AM
Brad @ Burning Man
This being the centennial of the birth of Robert Heinlein, one of the first panels at NASFiC was a Heinlein retrospective. At one point in the panel, the moderator threw it to the audience to ask if anybody had a story to tell about their first exposure to Heinlein, either the author or his books, and what that meant to them.

To my vast annoyance, the discussion degenerated rapidly into the worst possible such discussion. On the honest-to-Pete right side of the room (as seen from the panel's perspective) was a guy, obviously too flabby to have any military experience at his young age, whose favorite Heinlein novel was Starship Troopers, and all he wanted to talk about was how great it was that Heinlein taught him about how wonderful military virtues are. And, I swear I can't make this stuff up, on the physical left side of the room was an aging ex-hippy whose favorite Heinlein novel was (of course) Stranger in a Strange Land. The discussion was threatening to turn into that classic stupid argument about whether Heinlein was great because he was a proto-libertarian right-wing militarist, or because he was a proto-hippy left-wing prophet of tolerance and free love. I say "classic stupid" because Heinlein himself, while he was still alive, made it clear that he had no use for either group of fans, except to the extent that he valued the royalty payments from the books they bought, because Heinlein insisted that any reasonable person would know that his fiction wasn't about preaching answers, but about questioning the unquestioned.

But one thing they said in the argument gave me some insight into how to express the real reason why I valued Heinlein's fiction. The second or third time that some graying Boomer intoned the cliché about the influence of "Cold War politics" on Heinlein's fiction, it occurred to me to contrast two classic bits of sciencde fiction about "Cold War politics."

In 1957, Nevil Schute wrote a best seller that was entirely typical of how almost everybody but Heinlein was writing about Cold War politics: On the Beach. In On the Beach, as with almost all mainstream fiction and science fiction from when I started reading it in the 1960s and 1970s, it was just simply taken for granted that sooner or later there would be a global thermonuclear war, that nothing anybody could do would stop it, and that all that the heroes of any novel at such a time could hope for was to find a peaceful place to lie down and die.

In 1948, Heinlein wrote a short story for American Legionnaire magazine called "The Long Watch." In it, one ordinary guy in the right place at the right time decided that global thermonuclear war was something he was not morally OK with, was willing to pay any price to stop, and he stopped it.

Isaac Asimov once wrote an essay for a librarians' trade journal in which he argued that science fiction, not the modern novel of his time, was what deserved the label "the literature of ideas," because it's in science fiction (only) that the ideas drive the plot. Maybe. But for me growing up, what was even more important to me was that the science fiction that I liked (as opposed to that awful "new wave" science fiction fad from around that time) was the literature of hope. Because that was the only place I could go where ordinary people were still being portrayed who believed that problems have solutions, that it is rewarding to try to solve them.

Comments

[info]pope_guilty wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 05:30 am (UTC)
What always turned me off to classic sci-fi was how many of those ideas were variations on "Having sufficient resources to survive without constantly struggling makes people weak and unmanly."
[info]dmlaenker wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 01:16 pm (UTC)
Have you read Mark Rosenfelder's essay about the rabid reactions of fans when you try to interpret it any other way - say, "The Cold Equations" as a story about the perils of bad design and bad policy?
[info]pope_guilty wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 01:22 pm (UTC)
Yeah, I think you were the one who linked me originally. I found a copy of the story awhile back- it seems like more of a tragedy of shitty planning and bad engineering than the "Stupid people die in space" story that some people desperately want it to be.
[info]dmlaenker wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 05:52 pm (UTC)
My other problem with Heinlein is something I have with military SF in general and fan reaction specifically: it was obviously written by a tactician who thinks that strategy is bad and that the answer is more tactics. The villains are those who think about the big picture instead of applying more and bigger firepower, and that's a common trope in military SF now.
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 10:02 pm (UTC)
I can't see how this applies to Starship Troopers. The story has no villains except, perhaps, for the enemy. I think of it as a sort of military porn--not about the carnage--but a fantasy of what it would be like if one's own side isn't doing *anything* culpably stupid.
[info]flewellyn wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 06:30 pm (UTC)
I remember that story. I remember thinking, "Gee, this is typical of the 'we are not manly enough' crowd of skiffy writers."

Why is it that men who can imagine worlds in which clouds of gas or computers are sentient, can't possibly imagine that sexism is a BAD thing?
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Aug. 5th, 2007 10:45 am (UTC)
I'm really not sure what you mean. "Manliness" didn't seem like a big theme in Starship Troopers, which was his only military novel. It did have women as completely competent spaceship pilots, though it was a minor point.

It was a story of a man who was a goalless adolescent who develops a life in the military. This is creepy because he starts out as such a blank slate, but I don't think it was exactly about manliness or reflects sexism.
[info]flewellyn wrote:
Aug. 6th, 2007 12:47 am (UTC)
I was talking about the story referred to in the parent comment, "The Cold Equations", which was not written by Heinlein.
[info]krinndnz wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 06:20 am (UTC)
thank you
In it, one ordinary guy in the right place at the right time decided that global thermonuclear war was something he was not morally OK with, was willing to pay any price to stop, and he stopped it.

An astonishingly powerful narrative that's gone into a lot of good forms - I loved that one, too. The narrative, not the particular story which I am now going to go familiarize myself with.
[info]brynndragon wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 06:20 am (UTC)
Along those lines, I always got the sense that, no matter who you were, no matter how smart or strong or rich you were or weren't, you could survive just about anything if you put your mind to it. On the flip side of that coin, no matter how smart or strong or rich you were you have no assurance of surviving anything without using your noodle. It was all about what you did with what you had.

(That said, I'm still miffed that his only female protagonist ended up happily barefoot and naked in the kitchen raising a baby with a man who raped her; actually, that pretty well sums up what I dislike about his books in general, which is a shame since there's a lot of good in there too)
[info]pne wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 08:52 am (UTC)
Which one's that? Friday?
[info]brynndragon wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 03:36 pm (UTC)
That's the one I was thinking of, yes.
[info]hairyfigment wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 04:32 pm (UTC)
Good point. But in fact he does have other female protagonists, Maureen Long and probably the women in Number of the Beast-. In both books a woman claims to live for bearing children, but the author has her do something else because the job needs her. In both cases a husband acts like a dick and the author points this out (the women too, but the older one doesn't call it dickish behavior).
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 11:28 am (UTC)
If I reread some Heinlein, I'll probably find more things to like and to hate, but on the plus side, he loved a good detail, and he liked a wide range of sorts of people. And he could write thematically tight stories--just about everything in _Starman Jones_ is about how information moves in a hierarchy.

As for female characters, I'm not crazy about Heinlein. I can take _Friday_ as being about a woman making about as good a life as can be reasonably expected after early abuse based on prejudice, and Podkayne as what's likely to really happen with a lot of childhood dreams, Podkayne wants to be a space ship captain, but settles for spaceship child care. (She's a Heinlein character, so we can plausibly hope she'll be in charge of the department.) The truth is, she doesn't show any of the drive, interests, or talents which would make spaceship captain plausible for her. And Maureen is living a pretty ordinary life for a person with a bunch of medium-sized talents and some money backing her up.

This isn't disgraceful writing--but Heinlein's guys get a lot more opportunities to do major and interesting things.

On the other hand, Star (_Glory Road_) is an early (and perhaps the only) example I can think of in sf of a woman who lets her marriage go in favor of her career, and this is presented as a good thing.
[info]shokolada wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 12:16 pm (UTC)
Once I grew out of all the cool beeping-and-flashing stuff (... well, I never really grew out if that), the abiding theme of hope is just what I loved about Classic and TNG Star Trek.

DS9 did a fair job of questioning some of Roddenberry's own unquestionables, so I respect much of that program. But then the franchise came completely apart, and both the brilliant future and the complicated questions fell to the side of technobabble, CGI, and self-absorption.
[info]dmlaenker wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 01:20 pm (UTC)
All I'll say about Heinlein: incest is for the specialized.
[info]roninspoon wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 02:56 pm (UTC)
Heinelin is one of those authors whose work has had so much influence and was so popular, that it attracts criticism and scorn by simple virtue of its existence. A great number of people seem to dislike his stories and characters making broad statements and generalizations based upon selected examples without considering the rest of his body of work. His popularity so polarized his audience that 30 years after his death, people are still tossing words back and forth laced with vitriol.

Personally, I'm a fan of his work.
[info]brynndragon wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 03:43 pm (UTC)
Honestly, it was some of the rabid idiot fans that turned me off, not his books. Having some guy tell me how women, even brilliant women, are better off in the home making babies like in Heinlein books made me second-guess his impact on fandom (but not his quality as a writer, which is unquestionably top-notch).
[info]roninspoon wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 04:02 pm (UTC)
If you allow your choices to be influenced by the insane, you will never make good choices.
[info]brynndragon wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 08:52 pm (UTC)
When your favorite author has everyone in their books who is like you opting for lifestyle choices that you would never make and fellow fans of said author ask you on more than one occasion when you were planning on abandoning what you hold dear and love to do (because that's what people like you do, after all), come and talk to me. Sadly, it seems you lack the empathy to understand that sort of situation without experiencing it first-hand.
[info]tropism wrote:
Aug. 4th, 2007 10:36 pm (UTC)
I cut my teeth on Heinlein, and I'd definitely consider myself a fan - and you can't blame an author for writing something and then having some idiot who reads it decide that it makes bad behavior on his part permissible.
[info]hairyfigment wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 04:38 pm (UTC)
Sorry, I can't resist:

characters making broad statements and generalizations based upon selected examples without considering the rest of his body of work.

Yes, that seems like the problem in a nutshell. Sometimes I think they even ignore their own stories.
[info]roninspoon wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 04:43 pm (UTC)
I fail at comma placement.
[info]kallisti wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 05:16 pm (UTC)
Ultimately, a good Science Fiction writer should make you think...and if a work has people on both sides of the debate feeling that a work supports their side, then the author has done their job.

ttyl
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 10:04 pm (UTC)
You might like Heinlein's earlier fiction--the fertility thing wasn't always a theme of his, though I'm not sure when the dividing line is.
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Aug. 3rd, 2007 10:06 pm (UTC)
Sorry--this was supposed to be a reply to [info]brynndragon.
[info]reliantfc3 wrote:
Aug. 4th, 2007 12:57 am (UTC)
I fell in love with Heinlein when I was in High School. I remember not much caring for Stranger in a Strange land, but I didn't realize why until I recently started trying to read it again. I just couldn't get past the female MC. I literally didn't last a chapter. Maybe Heinlein is part of the reason why, now, when I write most of my MCs are male, I dunno. As a woman you'd think I'd write female MCs.

My favorite book of his though is probably Time Enough for Love. Except for that whole incest/Oedipal thing
[info]phillipalden wrote:
Aug. 4th, 2007 06:10 pm (UTC)
I've read almost everything Heinlein ever wrote, (with the exception of that short story you mentioned,) and my personal favorites would be "Number Of The Beast" and the light-hearted "Menace From Earth." I read both "Troopers" and "Stranger," and while both have their place neither are Heinlein at his best.

He was a complex and amazing author who cannot easily be summed up by one or two of his novels.