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  • Jul. 10th, 2007 at 12:17 AM
Brad @ Burning Man
(I'm still half-brain-dead from all the disruption to my schedule lately, but at least the bathroom repair is done. Things can start settling back towards normal now.)

Over the weekend, I was at a party to celebrate a couple of birthdays plus American Independence Day, and we took advantage of the fact that my friend lives in one of the few remaining tiny postage stamps of land within an hour's drive of here where it's still legal to own and use class C fireworks without a pyrotechnics license and an event permit. The subject of the laws on fireworks and the history of those laws came up, and I mentioned that I'd almost blogged on the subject Friday. But when I sat down to type out my arguments, I concluded that they were self-serving, callous, false to fact, and, well, basically lame. So my friend and her guests wormed them out of me, and I find out that I'm the only one who was there that night who still thinks the argument I was going to make is lame. You be the judge for yourself, I suppose.

Water them down all you may, even class C fireworks are still sources of white-hot flame and/or they're explosive. They can be made remarkably safe, but never fully safe. Americans have been playing with fireworks since before the revolution, and after a couple of hundred years of re-designing the fireworks themselves to make them as safe as possible and training everybody in the country in fireworks safety handling and plastering every surface of the packaging and of the fireworks themselves with extensive safety warnings, we had made setting off your own fireworks as safe as it can be, at least given the constraints of the species. And yet we were still ending up with at least one dead kid every other year or so, and long strings of maimings per year, and several very expensive buildings every year getting burned down. And once we'd long-since passed the point of diminishing returns on fireworks safety instruction and improvements and we were still ending up with pre-teen corpses and burned-down million-dollar schools, a not unreasonable question got asked. A lot of people, almost certainly the majority of us at the beginning, didn't like the question and didn't like the implication of the only possible answer, but we didn't have another answer. And the question was this:

We put up with dead kids in car accidents and dead kids in sporting contests and so forth because cars are too useful to live without, because any kind of physical exercise that's entertaining enough that people might stick with it long enough to get health benefits is likely to be strenuous enough to produce occasionally lethal injuries, and so forth. But is there anything about setting off firecrackers and bottle rockets and so forth that's worth even one injured kid, let alone a dead one? And after going back and forth about this as a nation for about a dozen years, the majority of us grudgingly conceded that the only answer we had was, "No, no benefit. It's just easily replaceable entertainment." And city by city, county by county, and in some places even state by state we started banning personal use of fireworks.

And here's what I was going to say that I now think is lame.

Dig out a pit in the back yard and line the outside of it with a circle of rocks or bricks, if the local laws will let you. Dump some dry tree branches and some chopped up tree trunks or roots and some scrap lumber into that pit with some cardboard and, some time between sunset and midnight, set the pile on fire. All you've done is create artificial fire, something humans have been doing since the Paleolithic. Big deal. You probably didn't even make the fire yourself, you probably started it with a plain old ordinary industrial fire-making tool, a match or a cigarette lighter or fireplace lighter. So you bought something that makes tiny flames and set some garbage on fire, big deal. And yet ... you and your friends and your neighbors who live within eye sight are not unlikely to sit and stare at that fire, chatting desultorily, for an hour or more. All it is is a fire, a rudimentary technology? No, it's art. And it's art that we'll sit and contemplate, members of our species, in substantial discomfort and while getting eaten alive by bugs, for longer than all but a tiny fraction of us would spend going over the whole art collection of a large, well stocked, well lit air conditioned museum of our finest art.

If there's that much artistic respect for routine artificial fire, how much more art is there to be had in playing with, manipulating, staging and controlling the timing of artificial thunder and lightning?

I know that there are more arguments to be made. The pro-fireworks case can be argued from tradition. It can be argued from relative harm. It can be argued from intensification, the class of risk analysis failures where trying to make things too safe ends up making people do stupider things with what you do let them have. It can be argued from the fact that we've taken every possibly dangerous chemical or tool out of our kids hands and then wonder why so few Americans go into chemistry or engineering or so forth. *shrug* All those cases got made, and came up short against a dead kid every other year and a couple of million-dollar buildings a year. But while I was thinking it, I was thinking this: as Scott McCloud argued, humans almost certainly felt the powerful urge to express themselves through art before our species even had a spoken language. Even if it's crap art, even if it's cheap folk art made by people who say things like, "here, hold my beer," isn't it worth it because it may be the only time all year those people make art?

No, probably not. I think not. Even though it's my own argument, when I see it written out like that, it sounds pretentious and callous and self-serving and lame. To me, anyway. You?

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[info]joecrow wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 05:23 am (UTC)
No, not at all. That's probably the best way to have expressed it if you wanted to change my mind about the issue. Aesthetics is how I prefer to express my moral issues. Ars longa, and all that. That is, if I didn't already agree with you.

A'course, I'm kind of a freak, so you might want a second opinion.
[info]ponsdorf wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 07:05 am (UTC)
I dunno, the art aspect doesn't play much into my thoughts on the matter, but wouldn't call it lame.

However, while I was reading your post I kept thinking about backyard pools. Wouldn't that be a closer analogy than cars and sports?

Fireworks are generally once or twice a year, backyard pools can be year round. That distinction may place them in a different category, but they certainly fit well in other ways.

No one needs a pool either, and (without researching) I suspect that more people die in them each year than in fireworks related accidents.

Overall I'm not sure where the line should be drawn, people die every year doing things just for fun - skydiving, rock climbing, even just camping out or hiking. The list is nearly endless and many would include the possibility of death or injury.

And the oldie, but goody - lightning strikes while playing golf or some such.

So, to answer your closing question, not to me.

Well, the art aspect is a little pretentious, maybe? [grin]

BTW, just what is 'artificial fire'?
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[info]phillipalden wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 07:27 am (UTC)
Funny. I somewhat feel the same way about guns. Not that people shouldn't have the right to own them, but that a permit should take much more education, abuse of the permit should be strict, and if you cannot pass the multiple tests you don't get to own one.

I have a friend who's learning and getting his permit, and he's done it all through volunteering. If you really want to shoot off big fireworks, you can.
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 07:52 am (UTC)
Is fireworks safety education all that pervasive? I don't think I've been exposed to much.

Are fireworks accidents typically the result of people ignoring safety rules?
[info]confusiontempst wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 08:21 am (UTC)
I imagine they probably are the result of people ignoring safety rules. And every time I've bought fireworks (admittedly, in New Zealand where the rules for letting off fireworks are governed mostly by fire hazards) they've been utterly PLASTERED with safety instructions.

Of course, the most fun way to set off fireworks is unsafe, so I've done a fair bit of doing that. I've also accidentially fired fireworks at my own feet.

Though none of these were truly large fireworks.


I'd be happy with a fireworks licensing system if the fireworks license didn't cost too much to get.

(Oh, and you need a pyrotechnics license to let off big stuff here, which means no one really lets off big stuff. But then, I mostly miss bonfires since I live in suburbia and don't get to burn effigies anymore)
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[info]ascian wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 08:28 am (UTC)
I don't think any one argument is sufficient, but when you put them all together, I think the continued tradition of amateur fireworks is easy to explain, and even justify.

Every year my family would buy $200 worth of fireworks (even though, every year, my mother set a $100 limit) and set them off, illegally, on our street in front of our driveway. It was the one time all year we ever saw our neighbours up close. We played intelligently. Light-and-run was the common tactic. No getting absurd with trajectories; rockets go up. Fire extinguisher on hand. Fireworks were shot out over a huge, soggy field (abundant in Louisiana). Nobody gets fire who's tasted alcohol that night. Nobody enters the blast area. We even had a nurse on hand, thanks to my mother. Worst injury we ever suffered was a blister from a still-hot sparkler, and we had the time of our lives.

Nothing quite says 'party in a box' like a crate of fireworks. I can't think of anything else that would've brought our block together like those little amateur displays. Not even free food. Not even free booze!

I think fireworks is perched right at the edge of the line between enjoying life and protecting it. It's far less dangerous than other recreational evils, statistically speaking. Hell, imagine if alcohol only claimed one kid and a couple of hundred fingers every two years. We'd throw a big party. With fireworks.

I think the artistic angle is far more potent than you think. It's art, it's a social event, it's a tradition, it's mad experimentation, and I don't know how many other things that make life worth living. I just can't feel compelled to give that up because something that happens every single day happens infinitesimally more frequently on Independence Day. Maybe that's wrong, but it's how I feel.
[info]moropus wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 09:53 am (UTC)
Where I live fireworks are legal. Anybody can buy ANYTHING. There's no training, little to no instructions and warnings on the boxes, and hordes of people line up to buy them. Not only are there fireworks stores, you can buy them off trucks in supermarker parking lots before any holiday.

It's a wonder more people aren't hurt, since step one seems to be drink several beers. Everyone on the street would be setting them off all at once. I got them a couple times, then I realized if I don't buy any, I can still sit on the porch and watch everyone else, and I don't have to clean up the mess the next day.

If we shot them off every night, we might have injuries and deaths out the wazoo. But since people mainly want them for holidays or birthdays, they might use them 6-7 times a year. That's why there's relatively few deaths and injuries.

If people only drank 6-7 times a year, there would be next to no DUIs.

I think most people die in bed, so I'd better get out of this life-threatening safety hazard. After all, I've had 3 grandparents and my dad die in a bed. Why do I even have those death traps in my house?
[info]pixxelpuss wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 04:28 pm (UTC)
Woot. There is no statistical comparison of the use of fireworks (used only a few times a year) and the use of other potentially dangerous recreational items (used for large chunks of the year). You rock.
[info]satyrblade wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 10:45 am (UTC)
No, I think you have something there in your assessment of art.

But then, I've also been called pretentious and self-serving, so I'm biased that way. :)

[info]masque12 wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 12:19 pm (UTC)
I have no problem with your argument. Hell, my brother buys fireworks every year, busts them open, and reassembles them so that they have much bigger bangs to them. We have duels with Roman candles, shoot bottle rockets down streets, and even rig mortar launchers so that they shoot DOWN at the ground. No one's ever been hurt, even though we're all drunk. Granted, we don't let the kids touch any of the improvised fireworks, but even if WE get hurt, we know we're being extremely unsafe. We figure there's no better way to celebrate the birth of the nation than by blowing up a small piece of it. If it wasn't dangerous, it wouldn't be fun.
[info]pentane wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 12:44 pm (UTC)
I don't have any problem with the arguement per se, but if you let people do things because they're enjoyable and esthetically pleasing, then you've undermined a lot of the recent trend towards banning everything that is driven by the PC movement.

Let people think for themselves and decide what risks they want to take. What a refreshing idea.
[info]snowcalla wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 02:53 pm (UTC)
"Let people think for themselves and decide what risks they want to take. What a refreshing idea."

*applause*
*builds to standing ovation*
BRAVO! BRAVO!
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[info]galbinus_caeli wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 01:08 pm (UTC)
I think your argument is perfectly sound and valid. But as you say, inadequate to prove the point.

Also you are neglecting another aspect of firework used. Wildfires. I grew up in eastern Colorado and every year fireworks would set off dozens of wildfires large and small. Most of them in or near communities.

Across much of the west, the beginning of July is DRY. We don't need people scattering ignition sources around.

Risk/Benefit analysis would seem to me to point to bans.
[info]bradhicks wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 02:28 pm (UTC)
Well, yeah, and even I agree that it's reasonable to ban fireworks, like all other outdoor fires, during a severe drought or any other time there's a serious wildfire risk. But not that many of us live in that situation.
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[info]old_hedwig wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 01:42 pm (UTC)
When we were kids, my father and his brothers set off fireworks every year in my Great Grandparents (large) yard. The kids all got to run around waving lit sparklers. It remains a joyful memory for me, but I'm shocked no one ever got a white hot wire poked in their face.

Fires are fascinating. I think they appeal on a more basic level than "art", sitting around a fire may have been the first thing we did that made us different than other animals, perhaps laying the foundation for art.

My husband's best friends 18 year old daughter died in a car accident Memorial Day weekend. Our 17 year old just got his learners. He's scared of driving, we're scared of having him drive, but he lives in our culture and its really not handy not to be able to drive.

Parents deal with this all the time. If you let the kid climb a tree he may fall out and break a limb. If you never let them do anything at which they could possibly get hurt they will grow up weak with no sense of adventure or confidence. It drives us crazy.

We still shoot off bottle rockets every now and then.
[info]roninspoon wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 02:13 pm (UTC)
I believe that any argument against restricting the use of fireworks on the grounds of isolated safety incidents is a slippery slope. Where do you draw the line and what happens when that legislation becomes a precedent for other restrictions?
[info]alexandralynch wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 02:35 pm (UTC)
On the one hand, I would personally have no difficulty with fireworks that go bang and whistle being outlawed. I think the dog finally came out from under the bed yesterday. (sigh)

On the other hand, if people want to make things go bang to celebrate a birthday, whether that of the nation or someone else, I'd rather they used fireworks, rather that firing a gun into the air.

I don't know. I guess I don't see firing off premade fireworks as artistic, any more than I see opening can a and pouring it over the contents of can b, heating, and serving is cooking. Artistic would be loading your own shells, I suppose.
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 05:30 pm (UTC)
Even if you use pre-made fireworks, there's still skill in organizing them into a good sequence.

Still, I'm not sure that most fireworks fit into the art box. I'd be a little happier filing them under "delight".

And as for big vs. small displays, I've been to some major municipal fireworks displays [1], but the single firework I remember best is from when I was a kid and a neighbor attached two rockets to a board so that it rotated when they were lit.

[1] After I saw a DC display, I came up with "I'd be happy if the government just taxed everyone a dollar per year, and spent it all on fireworks."
[info]polydad wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 02:56 pm (UTC)
My perspective differs a bit. I have my own touch of pyromania, and explosives-mania if there's a separate term for that. And I've got local experience of how stupid humans can be.

Every morning I get off my bike and walk through Point Fermin Park. It's surrounded by a hundred-meter cliff. About every three or four months, someone falls off the cliff, despite the four-foot tall wall about ten feet in front of it and metric shitloads of warning signs. They die, usually by drowning in the Pacific after hitting their heads on a few rocks on the way down.

If these folks can't keep themselves safe from *gravity*, they can hurt themselves on *anything*. I'm not going to bother *trying* to keep 'em safe; it's impossible.

best,

Joel. *BOOM*
[info]cuglas wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 02:58 pm (UTC)
I don't think fireworks should be banned anymore than roller coasters. Every year a kid or two dies on a roller coaster in the US. A kid died last year at Epcot. A kid died this year at Disneyland Paris. A kid at a Six Flags park got her feet cut off by a ride a few weeks ago. The pleasure of roller coasters remains, however, and the risk (a low percentage chance of death or maiming) to return (thousands of people yelling "woo hoo!" and having a good time) is worth it. Fireworks get the same risk to return as roller coasters. It's just we're developing the idea that people shouldn't be allowed to do it for themselves. Corporate roller coasters are okay because the pleasure is created by our corporate masters. Fireworks are suspect because the proles are doing it for themselves.

Your aesthetic principle is right and what Ayn Rand called an Apollian aesthetic. Roughly stated, any beautiful object that requires the mastery of an elements creates a feeling of pleasure from the mastery as well as the beauty.

Of course, a kid in the grade ahead of me blew his thumb off with a M80 when I was in sixth grade. His brother John was in my class and their mom made the brother go find the missing thumb while she staunched Mark's bleeding. After John found the thumb, she packed it in ice and it was reattached. It mostly worked after the surgery. I think about that almost every year. I think knowing that you could die playing with this is part of the thrill.

[info]pixxelpuss wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 04:57 pm (UTC)
You know what I hate? When the government suppresses the proles by refusing to allow them to build bridges and own nukes! I think it is RIDICULOUS to suggest that this is about the suppression of personal fulfillment. Some things are simply better handled by trained professionals. If I'm that committed to lighting off fireworks, I can get a pyrotechnic license or something. But roller coasters aren't especially comparable. Roller coasters are ridden all summer (year round in some areas). Fireworks aren't used every night. Way more people ride roller coasters. So yes, if a few are injured (largely because of ignoring safety warnings, although occasionally due to mechanical or engineering issues), this is to be expected. But we have safety standards and engineering work that goes into anything really dangerous in our society. You have to be licensed to operate a car. Screwing around with small explosives is dangerous. This is why it should be controlled. It doesn't have to do with bowing down to the corporate masters, it has to do with the safety of the average citizen.
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[info]toranin wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 03:54 pm (UTC)
Am I broken or something?
Seriously, I sometimes wonder, reading stuff like this, if I'm just
missing a piece or something. You see, fireworks just don't interest
me very much. Once in a great while, a very well put together
professional show will hold my interest. But amateur fireworks hold
no magic for me. They never have.

You talk about lighting a fire and bringing people together...and I
think of all the times when I've walked away from a fire to go find
air conditioning or a good light to read by. I can understand the
fascination of fire, I occasionally feel it, if I go looking to do
so...but it doesn't call out to me, nor does it hold my attention for
more than a few seconds unless I make a conscious effort.

And so I wonder: is this unusual? Is it significant? I don't know.
But when I sat inside, this past July 4th, while my friends were all
out setting yet another batch of mortars on fire, I had to wonder.
[info]pixxelpuss wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 04:50 pm (UTC)
Maybe it's the Canadian thing again. My dad LOVES fireworks. He buys them illegally when he can. I grew up with backyard fireworks. And I still think it should be illegal. I think big public fireworks shows for major holidays are the way to go. Less injury, less damage to public and private property, and frankly, more art. I think people should be able to buy the small stuff, sparklers and caps and those little things that explode when you throw them. But I don't see why anyone really needs to be able to get drunk and play with explosives. If someone like my dad wants to make art, they can take a damn pottery class. If they want to risk bodily harm, they can jump off their roof or go bungee jumping, or whatever. At least that shit isn't endangering anyone else. People want to light off fireworks because they've been culturally conditioned to, which is the same reason they want presents and gluttony for Christmas. That just isn't enough in my opinion to justify it.
[info]nancylebov wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 05:25 pm (UTC)
Are you sure that you really like the things you like, and aren't just conditioned into it?
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[info]fluffydragon wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 05:52 pm (UTC)
Like most things, fireworks is a mixed bag. We live in NC, a state that has legal fireworks, but a short drive away gets you to a state that has much better fireworks illegal in NC. That said, my brother or I came close to a disfiguring or deadly experience once. My dad had loaded all our fireworks into one of those square boxes that paper came in - about a foot square and high. I lit a sparkler not too close to the box, and somehow, a single spark jumped 3 feet from me to the box, and took about 20-30 seconds to ignite the whole thing. One of us could have been 'that' close to our faces being directly over it when it when up with virtually no warning, blazing hot and 10 feet high. I was scared shitless and my dad didn't buy fireworks for a while after that.

I enjoy them from time to time though, and I try to be very safe with them, since I've seen first hand what they could have done. I wouldn't go as far to say they SHOULD be outlawed, but it wouldn't really break my heart to see fireworks confined to professional displays either. Like an above poster said, cleaning up after burnt firework bits in the dark is a bitch and a half. Outlawing roller coasters would simply be impossible. Parks all over the US would likely go bankrupt. And we already know that outlawing alcohol doesn't work, and is worse than leaving things the way they are - but I do think we should drop the age restrictions.
[info]thesigother wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 08:22 pm (UTC)
I think Brad is onto something though.

Fireworks are a shared experience. A bonfire may attract a few neighbors, but firework has a much larger range. A city fireworks display is an event that is shared by many more people. The Fair St. Louis fireworks can be seen from 270 and 255 if you know where to stand. They are a thing of beauty that can be shared communally. Nothing brings a town together like a fireworks display, not even Santa Claus.

And that is why I think that they are tolerated as much as they are.
[info]19_crows wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 08:37 pm (UTC)
There's a lot of fire art stuff at Burning Man, including the actual Burning of the Man. Clearly there's some kind of primordial attraction to watching things burn.

I'm kind of a pyro and I love fireworks.
[info]savrille wrote:
Jul. 10th, 2007 11:01 pm (UTC)
I don't think it's lame.

The fact is, artistic expression should not be underestimated.

I gotta run out to a funeral, so that's all I got at the moment, other than a question on a completely unrelated subject...

I tried looking through your journal for this answer, but I didn't see it, or, I just breezed past it, but I'm curious on your opinion of Mike Gravel as a democratic presidential candidate.

I like him more and more as I hear him talk, but I admit it's a gut reaction rather than a reasoned one. I have it on good authority you have an opinion.
[info]bradhicks wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2007 02:44 am (UTC)
There's nothing particularly wrong with him. I'd vote for him if our party nominated him. But winged monkeys will fly out of my backside before Mike Gravel finishes in the top four in even one state's primary, let alone wins the nomination. This makes it a waste of time to even talk about him as a presidential candidate. If he wants to give speeches and send messages, he can get a blog like the rest of us.
[info]chipmunk_planet wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2007 03:19 am (UTC)
China's been using fireworks for what, a couple thousand years or more? I wonder what they do.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 11th, 2007 11:54 pm (UTC)
fireworks and cars
If I might add something here; you mentioned safety and responsibility and they go hand in hand. In the issue of cars, it is the drivers.

The argument isn't lame, it needs to be drawn out more. What I see here are people who fail to exercise caution and get hurt, regardless of what
it is they are doing. It is foolish to suppose that every activity is one hundred percent safe.
(Anonymous) wrote:
Jul. 14th, 2007 12:13 am (UTC)
FIREWORKS
Dangerous and unnecessary forms of entertainment.

Desert motorcycle riding
Street motorcycle riding
target shooting-pistol/rifle
bicycle riding-on street or Mountain
skiing-water or snow or dirt or rocks
BB guns
Darts-bars or home
NASCAR
drag racing
wheelchair racing
skateboarding
roller skating
cars, trucks, walking,
welding
power tools
showers--(slipped and broke his neck, quadriplegic)
aircraft--(I am a pilot who flies an aircraft adapted for someone who no longer has the use of their legs because of a crash)

etc. etc. etc. etc. etc.

I am a teacher of the physically impaired. Many of my students are victims of accidents that occurred while participating in these dangerous and obviously unnecessary forms of entertainment or activity.
If you are not willing to totally legislate and protect us from all of these, don't start assuming you can a protect us from any of these. On a daily basis, I have evidence to the contrary. You will fail.
[info]steele_the_wolf wrote:
Jul. 20th, 2007 11:13 pm (UTC)
"It can be argued from intensification, the class of risk analysis failures where trying to make things too safe ends up making people do stupider things with what you do let them have."

That reminded me of a video I just saw on Gizmodo. It's about what not to do with WD-40.